Ken scores Oil off Chavez for London Buses!

[ska invita]

Kens done a deal with Chavez that will provide London transport with cheap oil, a move specially designed to subsidise overpriced public transport.

Everyone is geeting their knickers in a twist - its hilarious. Funniest of all are the Tory LAMs:

Angie Bray, Conservative leader on the London Assembly, said: "Ken Livingstone and the President of Venezuela should be ashamed of themselves for even contemplating such a proposal.

"I'm sure the 35% of Venezuelans who struggle below the poverty line, many of them critically so, would be shocked at the cynical siphoning off of their main asset to provide one of the world's most prosperous cities with cheap oil. "

Obviously deeply commited to aleviating poverty in Venezuela, is old Angie.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/5342298.stm

more outraged comment from antiChavez site here:

http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?content=letters/200607141714
and here
http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?content=letters/200608161032

nice one Ken

 

[Cobbles]

I hope it's low sulphur diesel so that the buses spew out less in the way of noxious muck than they do now.

 

[snorbury]

What about the underground, could they get Battersea power station working again with oil turbines?

 

[ska invita]

To be fair to Kens bus policy he is trying out fuel cell busses on a couple of routes, and has bravely scrapped the Routemaster, in part becasue of the old and polluting engines.

Piblic tranpsort is also green becasue for the tank of gas you carry x amount of people - obviously. If they all had cars that would be a waste.

The green criticism that is mentioned in the BBC piece is cheap - yes more needs to be done to get LT green, but thats nothing to do with where he scores the oil from.

But poitn taken - low sulphur diesel would be best.

 

[editor]

I met Angie Bray once. She was a fucking monster.

 

[snorbury]

I met Angie Bray once. She was a fucking monster.

awhh

 

[ska invita]

"I'm sure the 35% of Venezuelans who struggle below the poverty line, many of them critically so, would be shocked at the cynical siphoning off of their main asset to provide one of the world's most prosperous cities with cheap oil. "

Bleeding heart liberal

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Bleeding heart liberal

Bleeding idiot more like. I was on the treadmill down the gym when i saw her speech. I look supid enough when i'm on the treadmill without having the added need to stifle whoops of sarcastic laughter.

 

[JoePolitix]

Kens done a deal with Chavez that will provide London transport with cheap oil, a move specially designed to subsidise overpriced public transport.

Everyone is geeting their knickers in a twist - its hilarious. Funniest of all are the Tory LAMs:



Obviously deeply commited to aleviating poverty in Venezuela, is old Angie.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/5342298.stm

more outraged comment from antiChavez site here:

http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?content=letters/200607141714
and here
http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?content=letters/200608161032

nice one Ken

Ah that would be Alecksander Boyd. I documented some of his crazier moments in a thread that literally rocked U75:

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=166114

Nice one Ken and Hugo.

Oh, and Viva el niksativa too!

 

[Loki]

Our oil should come from democratic freedom loving nations who care for their poor instead like, er, Saudi...

 

[TeeJay]

I have no time for conservative politicians, but could someone explain to me why Chavez keeps giving out cheap oil to other countries when there is so much grinding poverty, vast slums and crumbling infrastructure in Venezeula?

He is just making political statements or do ordinary Venezeulans get something concrete back in return?

 

[exosculate]

I have no time for conservative politicians, but could someone explain to me why Chavez keeps giving out cheap oil to other countries when there is so much grinding poverty, vast slums and crumbling infrastructure in Venezeula?

He is just making political statements or do ordinary Venezeulans get something concrete back in return?

I think they call it showboating!

 

[Streathamite]

He is just making political statements or do ordinary Venezeulans get something concrete back in return?

they are getting back transportation and environmental expertise, presumably provided by GLA-funded experts.
erm, it says so in the beeb link

 

[Barking_Mad]

I have no time for conservative politicians, but could someone explain to me why Chavez keeps giving out cheap oil to other countries when there is so much grinding poverty, vast slums and crumbling infrastructure in Venezeula?

He is just making political statements or do ordinary Venezeulans get something concrete back in return?

Are you aware of what he has been doing in Venezuela?

 

[Barking_Mad]

angie.bray@london.gov.uk

 

[ska invita]

I have no time for conservative politicians, but could someone explain to me why Chavez keeps giving out cheap oil to other countries when there is so much grinding poverty, vast slums and crumbling infrastructure in Venezeula?

He is just making political statements or do ordinary Venezeulans get something concrete back in return?

The biggest cheap oil deal has been in the carribean islands, which are (in case you've holidayed in a sandals resort) very poor. The deal is very welcome, and he has created a new sense of solidarity amongst the "developing" countries in the region - in fact south america is shaping into a significant trading bloc.

Venezuelans get something back too - by renationalising the oil all profits go to the state, and therefore into projects designed to aleviate poverty and i cnrease literacy and healthcare etc.,. Better there than in the hands of BP, no?

There is absolutely nothing to object about, unless that is, you're a cunt. Thats why you hear so much objection!

P.S> all the cheap deals are additional deals, creating further profits in the name of the people dem.

 

[ska invita]

the caribbean deal:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4222268.stm

new aliances:
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_2757.shtml

 

[ska invita]

angie.bray@london.gov.uk

let s do it - on a roll after that keepingthefaith thing - I think she should be congratulated for her support for the venezuelan working classes, dont you?

 

[exosculate]

Are you aware of what he has been doing in Venezuela?

No what has he been doing?

 

[exosculate]

The biggest cheap oil deal has been in the carribean islands, which are (in case you've holidayed in a sandals resort) very poor. The deal is very welcome, and he has created a new sense of solidarity amongst the "developing" countries in the region - in fact south america is shaping into a significant trading bloc.

Venezuelans get something back too - by renationalising the oil all profits go to the state, and therefore into projects designed to aleviate poverty and i cnrease literacy and healthcare etc.,. Better there than in the hands of BP, no?

There is absolutely nothing to object about, unless that is, you're a cunt. Thats why you hear so much objection!

I'm with you. But no one has answered the question. If Chavez sold the same oil at market rate would he not be able to secure more benefits for Venezuelan than this trading he is doing?

 

[exosculate]

angie.bray@london.gov.uk

I like that.

 

[Barking_Mad]

No what has he been doing?

google is your friend.

 

[exosculate]

google is your friend.

He's been giving oil to google! I thought they were doing OK!

 

[jcsd]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the 35% of Venezuleans who struggle below the poverty line Chavez's most emphatic supporters?

 

[Streathamite]

they certainly are, and the old oligarcicos and beeg business types his bitterest enemies

 

[Hocus Eye.]

I'm with you. But no one has answered the question. If Chavez sold the same oil at market rate would he not be able to secure more benefits for Venezuelan than this trading he is doing?

He wouldn't get to sell it to Livingstone then would he? He already has outlets for his oil at full market rate but given that he has nationalised it he has a big margin of profit even if he sells it at below market rate.

Of course he is doing it to get positive publicity. With websites like the one linked to earlier working speaking against him, and also the American government working against him he needs friends who see things a bit more his way.

The 'benefits' he can give his people are thus not just short term economic ones but longer term.

H

 

[Streathamite]

I have little time for livingstone after he advocated scabbing and so quickly rejoined labour, but he will love this - he'll be in his element

 

[Hocus Eye.]

I have little time for livingstone after he advocated scabbing and so quickly rejoined labour, but he will love this - he'll be in his element

Yes Livingstone is not a reliable left winger. He works on political expediency for his own personal benefit too much to be trusted. He has always been like that, seeming to be for the people when voting time came around but happy to throw in his lot with the Labour Party when it became vulnerable and needed a candidate for Mayor.

It was easier to support him when Thatcher was on the throne and Ken was using his power to rile her. Putting the unemployment figures on the GLC Building was what probably pushed her to abolish it. At base though he is a maverick.

 

[King Mob]

I have no time for conservative politicians, but could someone explain to me why Chavez keeps giving out cheap oil to other countries when there is so much grinding poverty, vast slums and crumbling infrastructure in Venezeula?

He is just making political statements or do ordinary Venezeulans get something concrete back in return?

He's given them an arms factory to work in.

 

[TeeJay]

Are you aware of what he has been doing in Venezuela?

That isn't really the question is it?

What do Venezeulans get from London in return for the cheap oil?