Keith Moon Exposed As Crap Shocker

[editor]

The rest is fair enough but the notion that recording deals have muc to do with talent is a very silly one, everyone knows a massively talented guitarist who has never had a recording contract.

You don't need a record deal to make a recording.

 

[rorymac]

The rest is fair enough but the notion that recording deals have muc to do with talent is a very silly one, everyone knows a massively talented guitarist who has never had a recording contract.

See there's no need for bannings or throwing tows out of the pram .. good post revol 68

 

[rorymac]

You don't need a record deal to make a recording.

But you did to record what you posted up .. aaaaand then taunted an unsigned artist with it .. ? Erm yes you did !
Am I telling it like it is again or what ?

ps .. nice little dig re the banning (most unbecoming)
I hope you'll apologise ?

 

[editor]

But you did to record what you posted up .. aaaaand then taunted an unsigned artist with it .. ? Erm yes you did !
Am I telling it like it is again or what ?

Again. You don't need a recording deal to make a recording. Let that simple fact sink in before posting up any more stupid shit please.

 

[revol68]

You don't need a record deal to make a recording.

quite, but you said you too crap to get anywhere near a record deal.

 

[rorymac]

Again. You don't need a recording deal to make a recording. Let that simple fact sink in before posting up any more stupid shit please.

I got to be dead careful how I respond aint it !
Stupid shit is your posts on this thread imo
Aaaand please don't patronise me with letting simple facts sink in
Like I said before this shit is transparent
Got it ?

 

[phildwyer]

Again. You don't need a recording deal to make a recording.

Oh, I've made plenty of recordings. Anyone can do that.

But what that has to do with Moon's ability is beyond me.

 

[phildwyer]

I got to be dead careful how I respond aint it !
Stupid shit is your posts on this thread imo
Aaaand please don't patronise me with letting simple facts sink in
Like I said before this shit is transparent
Got it ?

Good to see you back Rory. If it came to bragging about our musical careers, you would take the proverbial biscuit. But it is beneath your dignity, and mine too.

 

[phildwyer]

Moon wasn't technically brilliant, there is no point denying it, and his reputation comes before his drumming ability. He had charisma, he did what others hadn't and changed what drumming was. But from a drummers drummer point of view he was a long chalk off a good deal of others.

Exactly right.

As I said before the thread got so egregiously derailed, the key to Moon's reputation was not his playing but his image.

I then made the interesting point that all rock music is about image rather than ability, and thus by that criterion we could indeed call Moon a great rock musician.

But by no other. Indeed so limiting is the rock form that most musicians who get any good abandon it, and start playing jazz instead.

 

[phildwyer]

Why are typos in thread titles corrected but not nonsense like in this thread title?

Hmm. So let me get this straight. You are demanding that the thread title be changed because you disagree with it? Yes?

You haven't really got the hang of this message-board business have you?

Let's keep the discussion simple. Just listen to the solo I posted up at the start. It's not just crap, it's the worst crap I've ever heard any drummer play, ever. It's worse than the Editor, and that's really saying something.

Now, you could say: "Oh he was pissed/stoned," or "he was just messing around" but none of that will wash. When a drummer, or any musician, is given the chance to play a solo in front of a TV audience of millions, s/he will do his best. And if that is Moon's best, he wasn't so much crap as unable to play the drums at all.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Exactly right.

As I said before the thread got so egregiously derailed, the key to Moon's reputation was not his playing but his image.

I then made the interesting point that all rock music is about image rather than ability, and thus by that criterion we could indeed call Moon a great rock musician.

But by no other. Indeed so limiting is the rock form that most musicians who get any good abandon it, and start playing jazz instead.

Ah but you know what people are like with sacred cows...

 

[phildwyer]

Ah but you know what people are like with sacred cows...

Yep. Witness this thread.

That's what caused such outrage when punk began. The Pistols et al were only speaking the truth when they said the older bands were rubbish, but the resulting fury nearly got them murdered.

Smash people's idols at your peril. But do it anyway.

 

[rutabowa]

jazz is shit though (except 1920s-early 1930s, when they worked as ensembles), whereas some rock music is good (when they don't do any solos)

 

[Kaka Tim]

Bollocks. If anyhting moons 'loon' image gets in the way of the appreciation of his drumming genius - and he was a genius. Other drummers had greater technique, but moon was truly revolutionary and he played with poetry and an intuitive understanding of the music.
I'm not a drummer, but Ive been playing guitar in rock bands for 25 years and know what makes a great drummer.

 

[phildwyer]

jazz is shit though (except 1920s-early 1930s, when they worked as ensembles), whereas some rock music is good (when they don't do any solos)

There are plenty of solos in early Jazz, what are you on about?

 

[phildwyer]

Bollocks. If anyhting moons 'loon' image gets in the way of the appreciation of his drumming genius - and he was a genius. Other drummers had greater technique, but moon was truly revolutionary and he played with poetry and an intuitive understanding of the music.
I'm not a drummer, but Ive been playing guitar in rock bands for 25 years and know what makes a great drummer.

So how do you explain that solo I posted then?

I take it you won't deny that it is utter shite? Was he just messing around or what?

 

[gabi]

Good to see you back Rory. If it came to bragging about our musical careers, you would take the proverbial biscuit. But it is beneath your dignity, and mine too.

Beneath *your* dignity? you're right, rorymac isnt outing himself as phil selway or dave grohl or whoever the fuck he is under this elaborate cover of being a perpetually pissed internet warrior, you are... which makes you, well.. slightly shy of pathetic really

 

[rutabowa]

There are plenty of solos in early Jazz, what are you on about?

just what i said, they worked as a band.... though my favourite the Hot 7 recordings Louis is beginning to head a bit into being a soloist with a backing band, but there are always exceptions. in the main, the point was the sound the group made together, rather than individual personalities, which i think is much more interesting. i bet you could go to a "rock academy" in san francisco or something and find 100 amazing guitarists who sound like SHIT to me!!

 

[rorymac]

Beneath *your* dignity? you're right, rorymac isnt outing himself as phil selway or dave grohl or whoever the fuck he is under this elaborate cover of being a perpetually pissed internet warrior, you are... which makes you, well.. slightly shy of pathetic really

Sycophantic tramp corner ------------->
You got a point or what treacle ?

 

[London_Calling]

What yer get, 24-hours?

 

[gabi]

Sycophantic tramp corner ------------->
You got a point or what treacle ?

You're up early... phildwyer keeps alluding to your legendary status in the music biz, care to elaborate? or would u prefer to let him continue to ogle your sphincter from that corner you're pointing to?

 

[rutabowa]

You got a point or what treacle ?

ha whenever i make actual points it just gets ignored, like having a big ruck is more interesting or something!!

 

[phildwyer]

just what i said, they worked as a band.... though my favourite the Hot 7 recordings Louis is beginning to head a bit into being a soloist with a backing band, but there are always exceptions. in the main, the point was the sound the group made together, rather than individual personalities, which i think is much more interesting.

What about the big bands of the 40s then? Hardly individualist were they?

If you want to criticize building music around "star" individuals, then your criticism should be directed against rock. With the added criticism that the "star" musicians of rock usually can't actually play very well at all.

 

[phildwyer]

Beneath *your* dignity? you're right, rorymac isnt outing himself as phil selway or dave grohl or whoever the fuck he is under this elaborate cover of being a perpetually pissed internet warrior, you are... which makes you, well.. slightly shy of pathetic really

Actually it was the Editor who brought up our personal experience. Which was pretty stupid really.

I mean if you say: "Jane Austen is crap," I wouldn't reply: "how do you know, you've never published anything, but I've published two short stories in The BS Weekly 25 years ago, so I know what I'm talking about."

 

[rutabowa]

i dont class the "swing" era bands as jazz really. i approve of them though, it is about subsuming the individual to the group. most rock music is shit too of course because of ego. my favourite rock musician is GG allin, not sure how he fits in.

 

[Kaka Tim]

So how do you explain that solo I posted then?

I take it you won't deny that it is utter shite? Was he just messing around or what?

He was titting about - it was when he living in LA and the Who weren't touring - as a result he slipped further into booze and the 'moon the loon' persona. . He never did solos with the Who. Listen to Wont Get Fooled Again or Can't Explain or Substitute.

What you are doing is like posting up a Video of George Best tuning out for a pub team in 1995, where he is fat and hungover, and saying 'I can play better then that'.

 

[phildwyer]

i dont class the "swing" era bands as jazz really. i approve of them though, it is about subsuming the individual to the group. most rock music is shit too of course because of ego.

Then we agree. That's why I pretty much only listen to roots reggae these days.

Which reminds me: Sly 'n' Robbie are the most over-rated rhythm section in the Western hemisphere. Positively soporific, you can practically hear them nodding out...

 

[rorymac]

i dont class the "swing" era bands as jazz really. i approve of them though, it is about subsuming the individual to the group. most rock music is shit too of course because of ego. my favourite rock musician is GG allin, not sure how he fits in.

I adore 'swing' .. actually I'm trying to invent a new genre that'll make it into Rolling Stone, NME and Q
It's gonna be called 'kinky swing'
Don't noone go and rip it off now y'hear !!!!

 

[phildwyer]

He was titting about - it was when he living in LA and the Who weren't touring - as a result he slipped further into booze and the 'moon the loon' persona. . He never did solos with the Who.

Because he couldn't. I don't care how out of it he was, if he could play at all he would have done better than that.

Listen to Wont Get Fooled Again or Can't Explain or Substitute.

That's his best work, and I admit that he fits the music of the early Who well. But he's still no virtuoso, let alone the Rock God that many people claim.

 

[Meltingpot]

Deep in the heart of Africa, some explorers were staying in a village. It was relentless, hot, steamy weather. From all the hills around, the sound of drumming echoed all day long for day after day, night after night. Paradiddle after paradiddle. Polyrhythm upon polyrhythm. Suddenly, after 10 days, the drumming stopped. All was quiet. The explorers burst out into the village thoroughfare feeling blissful release, but were amazed to find the locals looking downcast and fearful.

"Why so glum?" The explorers asked?
"Now the fucking bass solo starts".

LOL Nice one.