Keir Starmer's time is up

[lazythursday]

That Starmer llama drama was just a really fucking bizarre episode. Exactly who the fuck did he think he was appealing to by taking such a stance? Does po-faced animal destruction focus test well or something?

Animal/nature loving Tories refusing to back the party over animal related issues was identified as a surprisingly important factor in some constituencies in one recent election (2017?) if I recall correctly. So the llama thing was stupid even on narrow political interests grounds.

 

[Knotted]

Again I think the alpaca thing was about demonstrating how hard a bastard Starmer is. Again neutralising attack lines that he's weak. I don't think it was about winning people over.

 

[Artaxerxes]

I don’t think there’s any master strategy he’s just that keen on The Rules


He’s a boring Javert

 

[_Russ_]

I'm edging ever closer to calling myself a right fucking Cunt for saying that voting Labour was the only sensible thing to do as they were slightly less of a bunch of cunts than the tories..well on the whole they still are but Starmer is such an enormous cunt that like a black hole, no light is escaping.
what a fucking shitpie

 

[Karl Masks]

J

I'm edging ever closer to calling myself a right fucking Cunt for saying that voting Labour was the only sensible thing to do as they were slightly less of a bunch of cunts than the tories..well on the whole they still are but Starmer is such an enormous cunt that like a black hole, no light is escaping.
what a fucking shitpie

It is total shit but what are the alternatives?

 

[andysays]

It is total shit but what are the alternatives?

This now appears to be Starmer and the Labour party's official motto

 

[Pickman's model]

J

It is total shit but what are the alternatives?

One solution ...

 

[teqniq]

Labour’s Purge of Socialists Should Worry Us All

 

[mojo pixy]

It is total shit but what are the alternatives?

This utter dearth of political imagination is why we've ended up where we are. There are tons of alternatives but we're too cowed to get into any of them. So vote Labour, it'll all be fine

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Mentioned it in another thread, but probably more appropriate here. Starmer is the guest on Jessie Ware's most recent podcast. I'm imagining it is pretty cringe... Anyone brave enough to give it a go?

 

[Sue]

Mentioned it in another thread, but probably more appropriate here. Starmer is the guest on Jessie Ware's most recent podcast. I'm imagining it is pretty cringe... Anyone brave enough to give it a go?

No idea who Jessie Ware is..?

 

[Johnny Vodka]

No idea who Jessie Ware is..?

Now quite a famous pop singer. Also does a foodie podcast with her mum on which they cook for an often beige guest. I actually really like a lot of her music, struggled with her podcast.

 

[Rob Ray]

Tbf "kills fluffy animals for fun" is a pretty large Tory donor base.

 

[Karl Masks]

This now appears to be Starmer and the Labour party's official motto

only if their fiscal rules allow it

 

[teqniq]

Article is penned by John McTernan and appears to be offering a olive branch to the left still within the party hahaha:

Keir Starmer needs a Clause IV moment with a twist

 

[The39thStep]

Eddie Izzard v Sian Berry in Brighton Pavilion looks interesting, hopefully, a bloodbath .

 

[Shechemite]

hopefully, a bloodbath .

All those safer spaces policies are for nought

 

[ska invita]

It is total shit but what are the alternatives?

Jabbing a fork into the back of your hand for a couple of hours

 

[Shechemite]

The very clear absence of an electoral route to socialism (or at least an electoral route away from catastrophe) isn’t the end of the world. There’s a whole world of struggle and solidarity out there to get yourself involved in. At the very least it’s better to go down fighting rather than endlessly whining about The Purge

 

[a_chap]

Eddie Izzard v Sian Berry in Brighton Pavilion looks interesting, hopefully, a bloodbath .

The sole Green seat in the UK and Izzard decides that's the one he wants to famous for bringing down.

The fucking twat

 

[The39thStep]

The sole Green seat in the UK and Izzard decides that's the one he wants to famous for bringing down.

The fucking twat

Where are the Progressive Alliance supporters when you need them?

 

[Karl Masks]

The sole Green seat in the UK and Izzard decides that's the one he wants to famous for bringing down.

The fucking twat

Has Eddie been selected to stand for Labour? I suppose someone has to as they will challeng ethe seat, but it' snot a good look. Would just dmonstrate that Starmer isnt' really interested in any kind of 'progressive' alliance

 

[redsquirrel]

Starmer hasn't ever backed a progressive alliance, it's one thing he has not u-turned on.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Starmer hasn't ever backed a progressive alliance, it's one thing he has not u-turned on.

Why would he? The man's about as progresive as a gallstone.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

'Progressive' is meaningless wishy-washy nonsense anyway isn't it.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Brighton was fucked anyway supposedly and the progressive alliance bollocks has been quiet for some time now.

 

[ska invita]

Izzard has a pretty shit record in elections already iirc. Can't remember the details but I feel like at least a couple of times has been whooped?

 

[redsquirrel]

Why would he? The man's about as progresive as a gallstone.

As opposed to the wonderfully progressive LibDems or Greens?

 

[hash tag]

Izzard has a pretty shit record in elections already iirc. Can't remember the details but I feel like at least a couple of times has been whooped?

I don't think izzard has ever made it to candidate before, but has failed twice to get on the NEC.
I gather there is no comment from the party on Izzard's hope to stand.

 

[redsquirrel]

'Progressive' is meaningless wishy-washy nonsense anyway isn't it.

As applied to the progressive alliance yep.

I think there is a context in which, while somewhat incoherent, it has some meaning though.
There is a loose political alignment group that is socially liberal, and at the same time supportive of things like the Green New Deal, higher taxes, wealth redistributive, etc. Yet at the same time they either do not recognise or reject the idea of class struggle.
In terms of 'what they want' there is considerable overlap with social democrats or even some democratic socialists but the basis of the politics is utterly different.
In this context I can see Progressivism as having some sort of meaning.