Keir Starmer's time is up

[splonkydoo]

Yvette Coopers piece in the Guardian: "Our top team is ready for government." (Now I'm in it.)

The gaffer picks the team, but unlike football, Starmer won't be getting the chop when they get absolutely roasted. Not for a few years yet anyway.

 

[Pickman's model]

The gaffer picks the team, but unlike football, Starmer won't be getting the chop when they get absolutely roasted. Not for a few years yet anyway.

Sir keithly shammer should get labour relegated to the political equivalent of the national league (south)

 

[two sheds]

Labour rift deepens as Angela Rayner aide suspended

Comms adviser denies allegation of personal data breach

www.independent.co.uk

Today I Learned

TiL: Starmer can't sack Rayner because she was directly elected by party members.

lol

 

[Serene]

Put Rayner in charge. Let her kick off.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Labour rift deepens as Angela Rayner aide suspended

Comms adviser denies allegation of personal data breach

www.independent.co.uk

Today I Learned

TiL: Starmer can't sack Rayner because she was directly elected by party members.

lol

Yup. Same reason Corbyn couldn't get shot of that weasel Tom Watson.

 

[Serene]

Labour could have a different leader every week. Let a different, angry working class person do it. They can say what they think at PM questions. Quite possibly every week Labour would be forced to sack their leader because of language and behaviour, then appoint another. Like on have I got news for you. I would have a go on the front bench for a week. I would do my turn.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Labour could have a different leader every week. Let a different, angry working class person do it. They can say what they think at PM questions. Quite possibly every week Labour would be forced to sack their leader because of language and behaviour, then appoint another. Like on have I got news for you. I would have a go on the front bench for a week. I would do my turn.

I would volunteer for a stint as Labour leader. Unfortunately my main job in the British Virgin Islands is just too demanding at the moment. Maybe another time.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Put Rayner in charge. Let her kick off.

As has already been pointed out, she's just a fake 'socialist'. But hey, that's the Labour 'left' for ya.

 

[krtek a houby]

Or snap.

Immediately thought of Thanos, thinning out the Labour right, rather than the card game

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

Labour rift deepens as Angela Rayner aide suspended

Comms adviser denies allegation of personal data breach

www.independent.co.uk

Today I Learned

TiL: Starmer can't sack Rayner because she was directly elected by party members.

lol

You couldn't make it up:


"Rayner’s head of communications Jack McKenna has been placed under investigation on suspicion of a personal data breach relating to another Labour staff member...

...He is understood to have learnt of his suspension from a reporter with the Sunday Times, raising questions about the party’s handling of his own personal data."



'kinell. Clowns running government and clowns running the opposition. What an omnifuckingshambles.

 

[bellaozzydog]

An easy comparison to make, but again if we were to prioritise strategy (rather than what feels right) we wouldn't just go for that comparison and then bypass further thought about it. We would examine what worked about the South Africa boycotts, what didn't work, what the differences are between the position of South Africa and the position of Israel, economically and politically, the differences between the balance of forces within the two countries, the cultural/media reactions to external actions within those countries and so on.

The point of a political campaign is to win, not to feel good, and I think the pro-Palestine campaign in the UK has no strategy by which it can actually effect any change whatsoever within Israel or Palestine. In the meantime the campaign is waged with such lack of subtlety or political thought that the almost constant stream of 'accidental' anti-semitic speech it produces (and I know that to be real from experience and the experience of friends in the Labour Party) became the stick with which the right wing media could help destroy the party.

Added to that neither I nor many Jewish people in the UK nor in Israel can see why the UK left should be so obsessed with Israel compared to, say, Saudi Arabia, whose violence has been significantly greater over the last few years and which 'we' as the UK are much more implicated in.

When I add up all that on a balance sheet I reach the conclusion that I've stated here before: the left in the UK would do itself a favour by shutting up about Israel except where discussing it within broader foreign policy objectives - and I do not think the Palestinian people would suffer a single disadvantage from their reduced chatter on the topic.

Blimey

 

[Brainaddict]

Blimey

I think a few people have mistakenly thought that this post means that I don't care about the plight of Palestinian people. Nothing could be further from the truth. What it actually means is that I don't want to hear about it from British people who have spent decades developing a discourse around it that is (a) useless or worse than useless and (b) regularly produces antisemitic speech as a by-product. The most important of these is (a), but (b) does matter too. As I've since said, I think it's good when people take solidarity actions and so on, but that's mostly not what all the chatter is about.

 

[pug]

 

[two sheds]

If they don't want two sites that confuse people they should just leave that one up, no confusion now

 

[Gramsci]

I think a few people have mistakenly thought that this post means that I don't care about the plight of Palestinian people. Nothing could be further from the truth. What it actually means is that I don't want to hear about it from British people who have spent decades developing a discourse around it that is (a) useless or worse than useless and (b) regularly produces antisemitic speech as a by-product. The most important of these is (a), but (b) does matter too. As I've since said, I think it's good when people take solidarity actions and so on, but that's mostly not what all the chatter is about.

So are you against BDS? Starmer says he is.

BDS is supported by Palestinian organisations.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

I think a few people have mistakenly thought that this post means that I don't care about the plight of Palestinian people. Nothing could be further from the truth. What it actually means is that I don't want to hear about it from British people who have spent decades developing a discourse around it that is (a) useless or worse than useless and (b) regularly produces antisemitic speech as a by-product. The most important of these is (a), but (b) does matter too. As I've since said, I think it's good when people take solidarity actions and so on, but that's mostly not what all the chatter is about.

I know a handful of people who campaign around Palestinian solidarity. From what I see much of their activity centres around raising money for Medical Aid for Palestine. So I'll tell them that you would rather they raised that money without giving too much detail to anyone, or putting anything in any kind of historical context, or being critical of Israel or Zionism, or attempting to spread any kind of awareness. Honestly. What are you like?

 

[Knotted]

You couldn't make it up:


"Rayner’s head of communications Jack McKenna has been placed under investigation on suspicion of a personal data breach relating to another Labour staff member...

...He is understood to have learnt of his suspension from a reporter with the Sunday Times, raising questions about the party’s handling of his own personal data."



'kinell. Clowns running government and clowns running the opposition. What an omnifuckingshambles.

Just look at Rayner's smile and wink when asked about the reshuffle. It's open warfare and she ain't on the losing side.

 

[elbows]

Just look at Rayner's smile and wink when asked about the reshuffle. It's open warfare and she ain't on the losing side.

Although I'd suggest that she is used to winning battles and somewhat relishes such scraps, which might make her slow to recognise losing one if that ever happens.

 

[TopCat]

Just look at Rayner's smile and wink when asked about the reshuffle. It's open warfare and she ain't on the losing side.

great.

 

[Leighsw2]

Chatting to a friend last night in Lambeth.In his area the Progress lot are back in control of key positions in local party. People have been leaving party in droves. A result of the Starmer leadership.

The person had rejoined the party when Corbyn was leader. They aren't Corbyn supporter as such. Had voted Starmer for leader on basis of the ten pledges and that he seemed a good compromise candidate. Been disappointed .

Lambeth is slightly special case as it's been run as a Progress Council for years. Many rejoined party in Lambeth who weren't necessarily hard left but couldn't stand Progress led Council.

Starmer has joined up with the right of party now. Instead of doing what he promised in leadership election

My Cllrs are happy with this.

I won't be voting Labour at Council elections next year if this kind of behaviour by right / Progress side of party continues.

Have to agree with this sadly. Greens might be a good bet in next year's elections - Lambeth Progress were shocked by their breakthrough in the south of the borough in 2018.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Have to agree with this sadly. Greens might be a good bet in next year's elections - Lambeth Progress were shocked by their breakthrough in the south of the borough in 2018.

I would definitely vote Green down south. I try and vote Green up here, when there's an option. Actually, I joined the Scottish Greens... Green parties may still be seen as a bit of a shambles (maybe with reason), but they will be the most progressive/radical/left/environmental party on your paper. Starmer's fault for not giving anyone who leans in that direction a better option.

 

[Gramsci]

Have to agree with this sadly. Greens might be a good bet in next year's elections - Lambeth Progress were shocked by their breakthrough in the south of the borough in 2018.

And the breakthrough wasn't about "green" issues. In Herne hill ward for example it was about Progress Lambeth policy on libraries. Other issue was the unpopular estate regeneration of Progress Lambeth. Greens do best when they concentrate on these topics which are directly relevant to locals concerns.

Turnout to vote in my Council ward next door was low. Greens never made headway. It's a ward of Council estates/ working class. Either vote Labour or don't vote.

I think Starmer is here to stay for now. He's advisors are doing the they've nowhere else to go as far as inner London goes.

They are hoping people like me are just a minority who aren't worth bothering with

 

[PR1Berske]

Harriet Harman, Labour’s former deputy leader, has said she will step down at the next election after around 40 years in parliament.

The mother of the house – the title given to the female MP with the longest continuous service – said she felt she could move on from the Commons with renewed faith in her party’s future.



Harman, 71, the MP for Camberwell and Peckham, was first elected in 1982.

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In an email to constituents, she said: “I feel I can leave the House of Commons now confident that Labour is gaining strength under the leadership of Keir Starmer and the new team he has appointed.

“It has been an overwhelming honour to be member of parliament representing and working for the people of Camberwell and Peckham for nearly 40 years.”

Harman served as acting Labour leader in 2015 and deputy leader from 2007 to 2015. Under Tony Blair, she was secretary of state for social security and the first minister for women, and has held numerous other cabinet and shadow cabinet positions. She said she had fought 10 general elections, served under seven prime ministers and eight Labour leaders.

She said she had “entered the Commons as one of only 11 Labour women MPs in a parliament that was 97% men. Now there are 104 Labour women and across all parties women MPs are a ‘critical mass’.”

But she said there “remains much more to be done till women genuinely share political power with men on equal terms and until women in this country are equal. I will leave the House of Commons with my feminism, my belief in Labour and my enthusiasm for politics undimmed.”

In her email, Harman said she remained extremely proud of the achievements of the Labour government, citing the national minimum wage, Sure Start centres, the Equality Act and investment in education and the NHS.

The Labour leader, Keir Starmer, said Harman had “paved the way for future generations”.

“Harriet, your commitment to Labour and Camberwell and Peckham for almost 40 years is phenomenal,” he said. “A champion for women and social justice – you’ve paved the way for future generations.

 

[steveseagull]

Starmer on today's scandal: The PM must apologise
Everyone else: The PM must resign.

 

[RileyOBlimey]

Starmer is more corrupt than Boris.

 

[Chilli.s]

Starmer is more corrupt than Boris.

Does smell like that

 

[SpookyFrank]

Starmer is more corrupt than Boris.

More compromised maybe.

 

[ska invita]

Just some pictures of Sir Starmer choking

 

[splonkydoo]

Bloody Corbyn..!

 

[Serene]

When are Labour going to do something to get these unions sorting this exploitation of workers out that is occurring everywhere?