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Keir Starmer's time is up

I mean, I'm not an expert on the Labour left in the 1980s, but I don't think arguments around the anti-apartheid movement played any significant role in destroying the Labour left in the 1980s, whereas arguments around Palestine did play a fairly prominent role in fucking up the Labour left in the 2010s. So that's one fairly important distinction between the two, if looked at in the context of UK politics.
Or to put it another way, vague allegations about rampant antisemitism in the Labour Party were made by the Labour right wing, the Tories, the Tory press and, dare I say it, the pro Israel lobby, with the express intention of harming Corbyn, the Labour Party and the left in general. Nobody in Labour ever supported apartheid, or if they did they kept it pretty quiet.
 
I'm not convinced he did screw her over. I suspect comms between them isn't great anyway, and whenever she perceives the slightest slight, she goes nuclear about it via her 'sources close to...'. The fact is that she's not leader of the party, he is, so he gets to do the reshuffles, and she doesn't get to sign them off. However, I think in reality she sees her role more as co-leader rather than deputy leader.

What bugged me most yesterday though was her loudly complaining that his reshuffle had taken the focus of news away from tory failures (and her attempt to get column inches for herself), but she made that worse by immediately briefing about how cross she was, giving more column inches to the reshuffle story, that otherwise could have flown further under the radar. It feels like this is more about her and her personal ambitions than her wanting to pull in the same direction as everyone else to get a Labour government elected.
Nah, it's either sabotage on Starmer's part or failure of leadership from a comms perspective.

Deputy Leader is making some scheduled appearances talking about topic X. Comms team would be aware of that. And then Leader decides to have a reshuffle on the same day - why couldn't he have done it the day before or the day after? - so any comms team with an ounce of nouse would know that Rayner would be asked questions about the reshuffle and not to have briefed her beforehand looks like either sabotage or incompetence.

Either Starmer and his team have deliberately tried to upstage and undermine Rayner and make her look out of the loop and incompetent. Or they didn't think through the consequences because they are, in fact, the incompetent ones. Neither scenario reflects well on Starmer.
 
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Except trickle down economics is a con, it doesn't work, it's never worked, the rich have always got richer and the poor haven't.

best explanation i've seen of trickle down was in a sequence of steve bell cartoons featuring (then) chancellor lawson

lawson calls for pyramid of champagne glasses and bottle of champagne

lawson fills glasses at top of pyramid

lawson shows what happens in times of austerity (swigs from bottle)

lawson shows how glasses at bottom of pyramid get filled once the champagne has run out (he has his back to us and we can't quite see how he's filling them, but he has an empty bottle in his visible hand)
 
Unite Union cutting Labour's funding.

Sharon Graham said they'd do that, and they are. Interesting to see her point at the SNP National Care Service policy as something Unite will campaign for, as it's not on the UK Labour party's agenda any more.
says they will still give 1 million a year and put the rest to better use....anyone know what that figure is down from? Cant seem to find a coherent answer online
 
I was speaking to a rather prominent back bench Labour MP a couple of weeks ago and they told me that "He is a nice man but he is not a politician" and it shows. Generally speaking, the MP was very unimpressed with his performance.
 
Maybe on the conspiratorial side, but I do wonder if Margaret Hodge not contesting her seat is linked to the Forde Inquiry as his report has been promised at the January NEC meeting. There were accusations that she had flooded the complaints system with over 200 false accusations of anti-Semitism which only a handful turned out to be Labour members.

I also wonder if it paves the way back for a certain Mr Corbyn, as she cannot resign again after already resigning (unless she is going to do a Maureen Lipman)

Starmer needs to get the Corbyn situation sorted before the next election otherwise it is going to dominate the news cycle and Labour are going to lose a London seat.
 
I was speaking to a rather prominent back bench Labour MP a couple of weeks ago and they told me that "He is a nice man but he is not a politician" and it shows. Generally speaking, the MP was very unimpressed with his performance.
I'd even question the nice man bit. Starmer seems to have been dining out on the fact he did some human rights cases in his early legal career while a barrister, but he arguably turned establishment cunt while DPP.

A friend of mine was one of the people who was convicted then had their conviction quashed over this unseemly affair.

"A group of climate activists are calling on Labour leader Keir Starmer to give evidence to the Undercover Policing Inquiry, alleging he may have been involved in a cover-up of police and prosecutors orchestrating wrongful convictions.

The 18 activists were part of a group of 114 arrested while planning a protest against Nottinghamshire’s Ratcliffe-on-Soar coal-fired power station in April 2009.

Some of them were prosecuted and convicted of conspiracy.

A further six were in a group prosecuted separately, whose trial dramatically collapsed after they discovered one of the protesters was undercover police officer Mark Kennedy.

When they asked to see Kennedy’s secret evidence, rather than disclose it the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) dropped the charges. When the defendants were given transcripts of Kennedy’s secret recordings of the protest planning meetings, they did indeed exonerate the six. The 20 activists convicted at the earlier trial have now had their convictions quashed."


And don't forget the night courts during the 2011 riots. All those people given harsh sentences, imprisoned for knocking a bottle of water.

[Tbh, I walked past the big Tesco in Hackney on Morning Lane during the riots and saw a couple of cases of bottles of water that had been liberated, just on the floor by the side door. If I'd been thirsty and helped myself to a bottle, I might easily have ended up in prison. I was offered biscuits on Clarence Road by a guy who'd participated in looting that little convenience store, glad I didn't accept any of those either.]


The upshot is that Sir Keir is not a nice man, not where the little people are concerned. He might've been once, but he's now establishment through and through. Where has the nice man been when poor and disabled people have been being financially battered by austerity?
 
Maybe on the conspiratorial side, but I do wonder if Margaret Hodge not contesting her seat is linked to the Forde Inquiry as his report has been promised at the January NEC meeting. There were accusations that she had flooded the complaints system with over 200 false accusations of anti-Semitism which only a handful turned out to be Labour members.

I also wonder if it paves the way back for a certain Mr Corbyn, as she cannot resign again after already resigning (unless she is going to do a Maureen Lipman)

Starmer needs to get the Corbyn situation sorted before the next election otherwise it is going to dominate the news cycle and Labour are going to lose a London seat.

That sounds plausible re Hodge standing down, but whats it got to do with paving the way for Corbyn? I dont think that will be resolved -I think he'll run as an independent - and win.

says they will still give 1 million a year and put the rest to better use....anyone know what that figure is down from? Cant seem to find a coherent answer online
seems as if the 1million is the flat rate affiliation fee that gives them a place on the NEC etc....they wont give a penny more on top of that. Previous donations documented in the press are all on top of that 1mill I think.
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It is like the Labour party has been infiltrated once again by a tory, a tory leader. The tories have infiltrated the Labour party and put a tory in charge of it.
 
Maybe on the conspiratorial side, but I do wonder if Margaret Hodge not contesting her seat is linked to the Forde Inquiry as his report has been promised at the January NEC meeting. There were accusations that she had flooded the complaints system with over 200 false accusations of anti-Semitism which only a handful turned out to be Labour members.

I also wonder if it paves the way back for a certain Mr Corbyn, as she cannot resign again after already resigning (unless she is going to do a Maureen Lipman)

Starmer needs to get the Corbyn situation sorted before the next election otherwise it is going to dominate the news cycle and Labour are going to lose a London seat.
So farewell to the paedos' friend
 
Chatting to a friend last night in Lambeth.In his area the Progress lot are back in control of key positions in local party. People have been leaving party in droves. A result of the Starmer leadership.

The person had rejoined the party when Corbyn was leader. They aren't Corbyn supporter as such. Had voted Starmer for leader on basis of the ten pledges and that he seemed a good compromise candidate. Been disappointed .

Lambeth is slightly special case as it's been run as a Progress Council for years. Many rejoined party in Lambeth who weren't necessarily hard left but couldn't stand Progress led Council.

Starmer has joined up with the right of party now. Instead of doing what he promised in leadership election

My Cllrs are happy with this.

I won't be voting Labour at Council elections next year if this kind of behaviour by right / Progress side of party continues.
 
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I'd even question the nice man bit. Starmer seems to have been dining out on the fact he did some human rights cases in his early legal career while a barrister, but he arguably turned establishment cunt while DPP.

A friend of mine was one of the people who was convicted then had their conviction quashed over this unseemly affair.

"A group of climate activists are calling on Labour leader Keir Starmer to give evidence to the Undercover Policing Inquiry, alleging he may have been involved in a cover-up of police and prosecutors orchestrating wrongful convictions.

The 18 activists were part of a group of 114 arrested while planning a protest against Nottinghamshire’s Ratcliffe-on-Soar coal-fired power station in April 2009.

Some of them were prosecuted and convicted of conspiracy.

A further six were in a group prosecuted separately, whose trial dramatically collapsed after they discovered one of the protesters was undercover police officer Mark Kennedy.

When they asked to see Kennedy’s secret evidence, rather than disclose it the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) dropped the charges. When the defendants were given transcripts of Kennedy’s secret recordings of the protest planning meetings, they did indeed exonerate the six. The 20 activists convicted at the earlier trial have now had their convictions quashed."


And don't forget the night courts during the 2011 riots. All those people given harsh sentences, imprisoned for knocking a bottle of water.

[Tbh, I walked past the big Tesco in Hackney on Morning Lane during the riots and saw a couple of cases of bottles of water that had been liberated, just on the floor by the side door. If I'd been thirsty and helped myself to a bottle, I might easily have ended up in prison. I was offered biscuits on Clarence Road by a guy who'd participated in looting that little convenience store, glad I didn't accept any of those either.]


The upshot is that Sir Keir is not a nice man, not where the little people are concerned. He might've been once, but he's now establishment through and through. Where has the nice man been when poor and disabled people have been being financially battered by austerity?
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He might be a nice man to some but he's also a shit opposition leader.
 
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