Keir Starmer's time is up
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gosub
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Arrogent cunt. worst possible time. It s just a time. There have been better there have been worse (for me at least). What next? things can only better..
Fuck him and his faux oturage. No way he did n't know what was going on elsewhere in Westminster last year. If he didn't he's a moron and if he did he's hypocrite.
Puddy_Tat
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that's a bit over optimistic for new new labour
"things can get marginally less crap when circumstances permit" maybe?
Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
Am I the only one who tried singing that?
RileyOBlimey
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Starmer's effort to appeal to Lib Dems hasn't gone to plan in Shropshire
ruffneck23
front left
Imagine making labour less popular than JC did...
ska invita
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tbf there was likely a high degree of tactical Lab voting: it was common knowledge a lib dem rout of the tories might be on the cards, so i can imagine lab voters piling in behind to get the job done
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Precisely. Plus there are seats that Labour aren’t every going to win - with or without Starmer - and this is one of them. It’s farmer land
How did this become 'common knowledge'?
strung out
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Because the Lib Dems went around telling everyone so!
ska invita
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quite, it just looked like a boilerplate Lib Dem campaign to me, but for some reason everyone started repeating their C&P 'only the lib dems can beat the tories here!' stuff as if it was based on something other than the same shit they roll out every by-election.Because the Lib Dems went around telling everyone!
It's an impressive result, and a total vindication of their style of campaigning. gross.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Unfortunately it's only going to encourage the progressive alliance dimwits
a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
ska invita
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Amazing, I presumed this was a Tory/lib split rural seat like in the south west. Labour did fuck it royalty then, I stand corrected
It'll encourage the dimwits, but it doesn't make an actual 'progressive' alliance any more likely - less so I'd say, cause it gives the LDs more leverage to demand they're the de facto challenger when divvying up seats.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh i can picture boris johnson stumbling over antidisestablishmentarianism while looking in the mirror
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
ben there done that
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
It's no surprise, really. What incentive is there to vote for Labour when the leader won't even call for an increasingly loathed and busted flush PM, up to his neck in sleaze and rule-breaking, to resign? I imagine some bright young Oxbridge nerd is all over wormpolling and focus groups feeds stating that this approach is somehow "statesmanlike", but frankly no one else can understand it.
Corbyn had many flaws as a leader and potential PM but no one could ever say they didn't understand broadly what he stood for. Starmer is just an empty suit- an AI bot directionlessly churning out centrist platitudes wearing a 1990s suit.
The risk is that whilst support for and belief in the Tories is showing signs of cratering, Labour are being seen as an opposition equally lacking in credibility- so crap that they can't land a punch on the worst PM and government in living memory. Party politics is increasingly a zombified activity as the hollowing out of actual democracy and accountability accelerates.
ska invita
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Just when it looked like he'd taken some trappist vow, here's what he wants to put out there:
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(won't link as it's a Murdoch rag)
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
The underlying assumption being that Labour voters are listening to the Labour Party and will vote as suggested, recent by election results in North Shropshire and Hartlepool and above all the 2019 GE 'Red Wall' tends to show the flaw in his logic.
It's just as likely that the people he's appealing to won't actually turn out and let the Tories back in with an even bigger majority. Tactical voting is the kind of thing that people need to decide to do for themselves, suggesting it from above doesn't tend to go down well.
It's just as likely that the people he's appealing to won't actually turn out and let the Tories back in with an even bigger majority. Tactical voting is the kind of thing that people need to decide to do for themselves, suggesting it from above doesn't tend to go down well.
ska invita
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You can stand down candidates though , or at least not campaign
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
It can but I think that is probably counter-productive, The Labour Party has to present itself as the party of the next Govt, not fighting 'un-winnable' seats smacks of defeatism not a good look for a party trying to convince people to let it govern.
There's no talk of the Tories not running a candidate in the safest Labour seats even though they're strong enough elsewhere to actually do it.
Besides whilst tactical voting at by-elections may be fun and send Boris a 'message' it hasn't actually changed anything. A GE is a whole different thing, Nick Clegg has probably killed off tactical voting at a national level for a generation.
If I was a Labour voter in a Tory seat that the LibDems might win (I'm not), I think I would want a guarantee carved in stone and signed in blood that a Tory-LibDem coalition will never happen again.
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