Keir Starmer's time is up

[belboid]

The tax is designed to bring in more revenue, nothing more complex or underhand than that. Corporate farms will undoubtedly buy some of the land, although it would generally be parcels that were too small and spread out for them to be that interested in.

Fuck farmers being able to hoard their wealth for their families - it's a betrayal of the very idea of inheritance tax and thats why the right and the landowners hate it.

 

[Griff]

Best buy some Vanguard and Blackrock stock then.

Fuck farmers who feed us.

 

[belboid]

Best buy some Vanguard and Blackrock stock then.

Fuck farmers who feed us.

75% of whom won't be affected.

 

[Griff]

Yet.

 

[brogdale]

Precisely.

And, we already know that the corporates who'll replace them are some of the worst price gougers and are destroying the environment. Reeves and McTernan might be okay with that, given their fetishisation of the free market, but supporting the tax because Clarkson and some 'red faced farmers' don't is pathetic.

Stop the Price Gouging | Farm Action

Farm Action stays vigilant against price gouging and corporate greed in our fight for a truly competitive food and farm system.

farmaction.us

I'd be more interested in seeing a left argument justifying why farm asset holders should have been exempt from IHT since 1984 and, even now, are given a 50% exemption not afforded to other asset class holders.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I think a lot of people have some quite negative prejudices towards farmers. I grew up in a small market town with a cattle market every Friday where the farmers pleading poverty would drive down in their Jags. Somehow, their kids ended up in private schools. They weren't so poor. Tory-voters who didn't give a fuck about much that happened outside their world. I did not like farmers, generally.

However, farmers aren't just any old business-owners. We all have a stake in how they operate and how they manage the land. They are not the enemy. Far from it, they are people we need to somehow form alliances with.

 

[Griff]

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the fat, red-faced, fox-hunting, Countryside Alliance cunts supporting, Barbout-wearing, townie-hating, country folk.

Just be careful what you wish for.

 

[belboid]

Yet.

aah, now there we do have a valid point. The fear that this is just the beginning is understandable and that is why Labour will need to seriously crack on with the rest of the reforms that are desperately needed.

Increase subsidies for actual food production and biodiversity, break up the big supermarkets who dominate, or even just get them to agree to basic demands (such as buy what you agree to buy at the price you agreed! and pay on time).

That would save them more than enough to pay a comparatively small bit of inheritance tax.

 

[DotCommunist]

Fuck farmers who feed us.

they all grow rapeseed for export

 

[brogdale]

I think a lot of people have some quite negative prejudices towards farmers. I grew up in a small market town with a cattle market every Friday where the farmers pleading poverty would drive down in their Jags. Somehow, their kids ended up in private schools. They weren't so poor. Tory-voters who didn't give a fuck about much that happened outside their world. I did not like farmers, generally.

However, farmers aren't just any old business-owners. We all have a stake in how they operate and how they manage the land. They are not the enemy. Far from it, they are people we need to somehow form alliances with.

Gotta say, having had much the same experience described in your 1st para, the exploitative cunts can go fuck themselves. These whingeing tories have worked generations of my forebears into early poor graves; I seek no alliance with that class.

 

[brogdale]

I'm really surprised that some in here appear to have lost all class perspective; lining up with the rural bourgeoise to defend the tax break that Thatcher gifted them in return for votes.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the fat, red-faced, fox-hunting, Countryside Alliance cunts supporting, Barbout-wearing, townie-hating, country folk.

Just be careful what you wish for.

tbf a lot of farmers hated the hunt. The marauding toffs would do significant damage. But yeah, there is a cultural divide for sure.

 

[PR1Berske]

I'm finding it difficult to sympathise with the country set that has attached itself to the backlash. A few hundred farms could be affected, and suddenly you have Clarkson and Farage in pristine wellington boots guffawing into their investment accounts. Whatever the actual size of the black hole, money needs to be found, and this is one way of doing it.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Fox hunting is more the local landed gentry types than farmers tbh (although there is some overlap). Shooting though definitely.

 

[brogdale]

With punctuation:

 

[zahir]

View attachment 451635

500 or so farms potentially affected according to some reports

This is misleading as explained here: https://nitter.poast.org/NoFarmsNoFoods/status/1857119943138873597#m

 

[Elpenor]

With punctuation:

View attachment 451655

Less of a charmer
Than Jeffrey Dahmer

 

[brogdale]

This is misleading as explained here: https://nitter.poast.org/NoFarmsNoFoods/status/1857119943138873597#m

But we can be sure that 100% of rural land asset holders will retain 50% of the IHT bung that Thatcher threw them in 1984.

 

[brogdale]

Less of a charmer
Than Jeffrey Dahmer

Fail; no punctuation!

 

[brogdale]

And note how "we don't want to pay the rate of IHT that everybody else is subject to" becomes the cuddly "tractor tax".

 

[PR1Berske]

 

[belboid]

This is misleading as explained here: https://nitter.poast.org/NoFarmsNoFoods/status/1857119943138873597#m

on Newsnight last night, they investigated this and the amount it would go up for 27% to 35%. Still the minority.

 

[brogdale]

View attachment 451673View attachment 451674

Yep, vermin speaker, vermin crowd ("meat in the room") and vermin antipathy to paying tax.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I think a lot of people have some quite negative prejudices towards farmers. I grew up in a small market town with a cattle market every Friday where the farmers pleading poverty would drive down in their Jags. Somehow, their kids ended up in private schools. They weren't so poor. Tory-voters who didn't give a fuck about much that happened outside their world. I did not like farmers, generally.

However, farmers aren't just any old business-owners. We all have a stake in how they operate and how they manage the land. They are not the enemy. Far from it, they are people we need to somehow form alliances with.

I don't think I've ever met or spoken to a farmer. But, I know that the availability of food, food prices and food quality are massive issues for working class people in every village, town and city. I also know that the corporates pay shit wages to their workers, resist union organisation and blame the labour shortages they cause for exploiting migrant labour and also pushing up prices. I also know that they operate a price control cartel with the supermarkets that punishes independent farmers and us when we buy food.

The idea that you begin to tackle the situatonby killing off small independent farms is mental. The argument from some on here - you are either with Reeves, the corporates and the free marketeers or you are for the barbour wearing Clarkson types - isn't a serious one.

As you say, everyone has a stake in how the land is used and food is produced. I've got no idea how the type of alliance needed might be formed, but you are right we do need one. The TGWU used to have an active agricultural workers secton (led by Militant supporters) but this appears to have declined as anti union practices, new technology and the monopoly position of the corporates has developed.

 

[burtabraham]

Surely we don't have to like farmers on a personal level to recognise that without them we would be absolutely fucked, and that the alternative to family farms is giant conglomerates hoovering up half the countryside.

 

[brogdale]

I don't think I've ever met or spoken to a farmer. But, I know that the availability of food, food prices and food quality are massive issues for working class people in every village, town and city. I also know that the corporates pay shit wages to their workers, resist union organisation and blame the labour shortages they cause for exploiting migrant labour and also pushing up prices. I also know that they operate a price control cartel with the supermarkets that punishes independent farmers and us when we buy food.

The idea that you begin to tackle the situaton is by killing off family farms is mental. The argument from some on here - you are either with Reeves, the corporates and the free marketeers or you are for the barbour wearing Clarkson types - isn't a serious one.

As you say, everyone has a stake in how the land is used and food is produced. I've got no idea how the type of alliance needed might be formed, but you are right we do need one. The TGWU used to have an active agricultural workers secton (led by Militant supporters) but this appears to have declined as anti union practices, new technology and the monopoly position of the corporates has developed.

It's seriously perverse to see you lining up with the rural owners of the means to production and their whingeing about having to pay half the IHT everyone else is subject to; like your enemy's enemy is your friend.

 

[brogdale]

Surely we don't have to like farmers on a personal level to recognise that without them we would be absolutely fucked, and that the alternative to family farms is giant conglomerates hoovering up half the countryside.

That presupposes that being subject to some IHT = not having farmers.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It's seriously perverse to see you lining up with the rural owners of the means to production and their whingeing about having to pay half the IHT everyone else is subject to like your enemy's enemy is your friend.

We shouldn't think of family farmers as the enemy, though. We can't afford to think like that even if we might want to.

Smaller farmers aren't just owners either. They are also workers. This isn't the same situation as sticking up for a factory owner.

 

[burtabraham]

It's seriously perverse to see you lining up with the rural owners of the means to production and their whingeing about having to pay half the IHT everyone else is subject to like your enemy's enemy is your friend.

Does the 'enemy' disappear if you tax them to the point they need to sell up? Who purchases the farm once it's put on sale? An even bigger, richer entity, that's who.

 

[brogdale]

Does the 'enemy' disappear if you tax them to the point they need to sell up? Who purchases the farm once it's put on sale? An even bigger, richer entity, that's who.

Oh this really is such bollocks. These cunts all have accountants and tax advisors and know exactly how to evade IHT. Come on, have some of you lot never been to the fucking cuntryside?