Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
what, that article that says that AV+ is semi-proportional?
not to be confused with AV which the jenkins commission has rejected and is what was offered in 2011
Keir Starmer's time is up
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what, that article that says that AV+ is semi-proportional?
not to be confused with AV which the jenkins commission has rejected and is what was offered in 2011
It's the same fucking thing.
And it's 'thick'.
edit: I get your point, but it's the closest we came a to a full German/New Zealand style. And 70% of the electorate rejected it. Or couldn't be arsed to vote on it. For whatever reason.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Amazing, gabi's combination of ignorance, stupidity and arrogance means that he can't even accept the fucking articles saying in black and white that AV is not proportional.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
The party in power is never going to want to change a voting system that just got them elected. The only chance of changing it is for a junior coalition partner to force a referendum, a chance the lib dems actually had but completely bottled.
Even if actual PR had been on the ticket though, both major parties and the entire press would have gone all project fear against it. Oh it'll just be endless coalitions, once there's no longer a way for a party with less than half the votes to control more than half of parliament.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
One of the differences between Blair and Starmer is that Blair made at least a pretence at offering a reforming government. Some things, like more autonomy for Scotland and Wales, were actually carried out (though plenty more was not). Starmer on the other hand offers literally no change at all. If he's trying to mimic Blair he's not even good at it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
He's bloody awful at pr
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Which one is gabi?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
gabi? Gone I thought
maomao
普費斯
was reiabuzz, now petcha
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Thank you, explains a couple of things
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
But is she as out of control as that Lauren Tooerself?
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
Ah yes, she and her friend Ann Naki are a bit of a nightmare. I'm not surprised their old neighbour Anna Kizzum isn't speaking to them any more.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
ska invita
back on the other side
tbf there is i think going to be a new wave of devolution - im pretty sure this sets out the plan
i havent read it...actually i might ask Ai to summarise it
A New Britain: Renewing our Democracy and Rebuilding our Economy – The Labour Party
Report of the Commission on the UK’s Future Introduction Every country faces a crisis this winter. But the crisis we face in Britain is not just short-term – it is deep-seated. The immediate crisis has been caused by the aftermath of Covid, the war in Ukraine, energy price rises, and inflation...
labour.org.uk
there is also some kind of green new deal industrial strategy mooted
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according to AI
The Labour Party’s report on renewing democracy and rebuilding the economy sets out 40 recommendations for constitutional change in the UK. These recommendations cover rights, devolution within England, devolution to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, intergovernmental cooperation, and reform of the House of Lords1.
Some of the specific recommendations include replacing the House of Lords with an elected chamber, new rules to end the undue influence of wealth and foreign money, preventing MPs from part-timing their jobs, and tighter enforcement of rules with a new integrity commission for politicians and public life2. The report also proposes creating constitutionally enshrined social rights such as rights to free healthcare and education, a right to receive social welfare and not live in poverty, and rights to adequate housing1.
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TopCat
Putin fanboy
FFS. If you don't get the result you want, over PR or brexit it's because people are too thick or not well informed enough. You just can't cope with people not sharing your value set. It's a grim approach.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
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teqniq
DisMembered
Clown show:
www.theguardian.com
Yvette Cooper was ‘not told’ about Labour’s Sunak attack ad in advance
Shadow home secretary was not consulted about the widely criticised advert that claims Rishi Sunak did not believe in jailing child abusers
He hasn't got the Blair-flair or his poster-friendly frank white toothy grin. Blair felt like a change (briefly) whereas Starmer feels like a One Nation Tory. Every time I see Starmer, an image of him with a red gnome's hat flashes past my mind and I can't reset it.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Saw this last week, I couldn't actually finish it but Starmer seems to be our Saviour 
www.theguardian.com
Ignore the detractors – Keir Starmer is a radical who can transform the country | Will Hutton
He could marshal the progressive tradition that has always eluded the liberal left
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Suspect a few asterisks are missing there.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Interesting piece by Starmers ex Head of Policy:
thehill.com
The key section is “The emphasis on blue-collar economics is a necessary shift for the center-left. But it needs to be matched with an orientation to blue-collar society and representation to move the dial with working-class voters. Voters care about better jobs, better wages, more opportunities and lower costs — of course they do. But they also want lower crime, managed immigration and access to better health care.”
Notable is the admission is that a return to pro- working class economics is necessary. As the article notes Starmer has built a lead with working class voters, but I’d argue it’s neither a convincing or secure one
Why Britain is watching Biden’s ‘blue-collar blueprint’
Looking across the Atlantic provides some painful lessons in what happens when center-left parties overlook their working-class base.
thehill.com
The key section is “The emphasis on blue-collar economics is a necessary shift for the center-left. But it needs to be matched with an orientation to blue-collar society and representation to move the dial with working-class voters. Voters care about better jobs, better wages, more opportunities and lower costs — of course they do. But they also want lower crime, managed immigration and access to better health care.”
Notable is the admission is that a return to pro- working class economics is necessary. As the article notes Starmer has built a lead with working class voters, but I’d argue it’s neither a convincing or secure one
teqniq
DisMembered
More fallout:
www.independent.co.uk
Labour MPs turn against Starmer as they condemn ‘brutal’ Sunak attack ads
Exclusive: Senior Labour MP Barry Gardiner lashes out at ‘descent into gutter’ ahead of PLP contfrontation
www.independent.co.uk
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
A reminder of a more innocent age
www.theguardian.com
Was Mark Darcy based on Keir Starmer? Here’s the definitive answer
The clean-cut candidate for Labour-leader may suit the part of the Bridget Jones character, but is it a truth universally acknowledged?
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