Keir Starmer's time is up
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Oswald Mosely
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Mike Gapes.
Does he now?
Does he now?
ruffneck23
front left
It really seems like he is willing to lose to the tories again...
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
'Milord kieth, we would advise you that now might be just the moment to set out a bit of mild social democracy? Perhaps people might be quite keen on the idea of public ownership in, oh, let's say gas and electricity. Railways too. You could wrap it all up some sort of hard choices blather but, erm, give people a bit of hope? Maybe there's a bit of social solidarity in the air'
- No, no, I've got an even better strategy!
'Oh my, oh dear... could I ask what that is Milord?'
- Mike Gapes!
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Lee Anderson.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
God he's fucking useless, beiger than a landlord special. It's not "caving in" if the senior management team's comprised of Tory activists, it's collusion and a political scandal. Even Ed Davey spotted that one ffs ...
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It's the probable result after a month or six weeks of a labour campaign
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
ruffneck23 can you see shammer running a campaign which is inspirational rather than emetic?
Puddy_Tat
happy mew year
one that's inspirational to other parties, possibly...
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Funny he hasn't got a single wonk who will tell him that the it's the votes of the non-gammon working class, the biggest demographic in the country, that will actually matter.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
If you thought you were going to win the next election, and wanted to make sure the government maintained control over the BBC, you'd not want to say anything to suggest that the basic system of political appointees there is fucked.
ruffneck23
front left
Serene
Slightly disgruntled
In the interests of the truth, from what I see out there in the real world, the vast majority of the working class ARE gammons. I have to work with them. And those that say they arent a gammon, they very often are, as you find out along the line. We cannot disregard this fact because we dont like it. So, like it or not, Labour, seemingly is doomed. Dont shoot the messenger.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
no indeed, the messenger should do the job for us given that you're reporting on what YOU see in the real world, which is only a tiny fragment of the whole. we cannot disregard this fact and i'm certainly happy to pass you a pistol with one bullet
Serene
Slightly disgruntled
It cannot be verified if its a fact, but Id say its certainly true.
ska invita
back on the other side
What work do you do with them?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
all facts are by definition true. your claim is not a fact. anyway everyone knows labour, the tories and the lib dems - and even the greens - are doomed as sooner or later they will go the way of the russian constitutional democrats or the national socialist german workers party, or the whites and the reds of the hippodromes.
Serene
Slightly disgruntled
Anyone who doesnt agree that most of the working class are gammons is fine with me. I know what I think. It isnt something I like, but it is something I have seen throughout my life. There are also a lot of gammons who pretend they arent gammons, but you see what they are eventually. Why do you think Corbyn wasnt popular with the majority of potential Labour voters? The point I am putting across is that if Starmer doesnt go more to the right then Labour aint getting in. Again I am not saying that I think he should do that, I am saying that, to me, Labour is doomed.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
all adults over 18 are potential labour voters. even if many of them vote for other parties or don't vote at all.
ska invita
back on the other side
he was regularly ahead in national polls between 2017-April 2019
"In the interests of the truth" lol
what work do you do?
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
I, on the other hand, am continually nicely surprised by just how much common sense, solidarity, charity and generally anti establishment feeling is expressed by my fellow gammons. Not always on the surface, especially if you start talking party politics, but just underneath. When you get past the slogans. I remember watching a program years ago by some M.P. whose name I forget, entitled something like "The Secret Socialists of Guildford ". People in a shopping centre were asked a variety of questions, about environmental concerns, nationalisation of public utilities etc. The vast majority gave left wing or ecological answers, only to express consternation when told that they were supporting Labour policies. When people really tell you what they think, actually think, they are normally far more left wing than they themselves realise.
Serene
Slightly disgruntled
Those are interesting thoughts. I am not knowledgable in political systems to that degree, so I cannot possibly form an opinion on that. But it is an interesting concept.
What I see out there in the world is a mass of working class gammons. Of the working class people I have met, few are not.
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