Keir Starmer's time is up

[NoXion]

what with Osborne's backing too the Tories seem to have their man

In a properly functioning democracy, this kind of endorsement from what is ostensibly the political opposition should be the kiss of fucking death.

It's basically an admission that the only difference is the colour of the rosette. So why the fuck should anyone vote Labour? If you like right-wing policies you can just vote for the Tory parasites. If you're left of Tony Blair you're electorally homeless.

I don't think the constituency of "centrist dads" is big enough to carry Labour into power. They've made themselves utterly pointless.

 

[Pickman's model]

In a properly functioning democracy, this kind of endorsement from what is ostensibly the political opposition should be the kiss of fucking death.

It's basically an admission that the only difference is the colour of the rosette. So why the fuck should anyone vote Labour? If you like right-wing policies you can just vote for the Tory parasites. If you're left of Tony Blair you're electorally homeless.

I don't think the constituency of "centrist dads" is big enough to carry Labour into power. They've made themselves utterly pointless.

In ten years time Alexander Armstrong and Richard osman will have shammer as a pointless answer

 

[ruffneck23]

In ten years time Alexander Armstrong and Richard osman will have shammer as a pointless answer

Well Osman Would if he hadnt left pointless last April

 

[_Russ_]

If your top priority is to have the Tories out then I take it you are arguing for a vote for the party that is best placed to defeat them in each constituency?
So a 'progressive' alliance, or indeed even a vote for whatever UKIP are calling themselves this week if they are the best placed challenger (admittedly the latter is not really that likely).

UKIP wont ever be the best placed challenger, I dont know why present such a scenario you must know its bollox. and how would voting for even bigger cunts than the ones I want to remove make any sense...nice smear attempt but fuck off

 

[Pickman's model]

Well Osman Would if he hadnt left pointless last April

Haven't seen any without him. Must have just seen repeats.

 

[ruffneck23]

Haven't seen any without him. Must have just seen repeats.

Nor me, I just read it somewhere the other day weirdly.

 

[redsquirrel]

UKIP wont ever be the best placed challenger, I dont know why present such a scenario you must know its bollox. and how would voting for even bigger cunts than the ones I want to remove make any sense...nice smear attempt but fuck off

UKIP were the best challenger in Clacton and Rochester and Stroud. It's not impossible that they (or their equivalent) will be the closest placed challenger in some deep blue seats this time around.

This is not a smear, it is the taking your stated position to its logical conclusion. If your "top priority" is to stop a Tory government then you should advocate a vote for any party that will deny them a seat.
If you are only advocating that people vote Labour (Or Liberal? Or SNP?) then by definition your priority is not just to stop a Tory government. And in fact is not different in principle to the position outlined by kabbes, it is just that he draws the line of 'acceptable/useful' party at a different point to you.

So what exactly are you advocating?

 

[Chz]

Haven't seen any without him. Must have just seen repeats.

He still does the "celebrity" ones, and I think those were the only new ones over the Christmas break.

 

[Serge Forward]

In a properly functioning democracy, this kind of endorsement from what is ostensibly the political opposition should be the kiss of fucking death.

It's basically an admission that the only difference is the colour of the rosette. So why the fuck should anyone vote Labour? If you like right-wing policies you can just vote for the Tory parasites. If you're left of Tony Blair you're electorally homeless.

I don't think the constituency of "centrist dads" is big enough to carry Labour into power. They've made themselves utterly pointless.

Starmer's cunning plan is to appeal to Tory voters, Tory party members and Tory MPs. Years ago, Blair renamed the Labour Party New Labour. Starmer should properly nail it on and call it the "I Can't Believe It's Not Tory" Labour Party or more simply the "Continuity Conservative Party" (especially as the official Conservative Party are currently setting their own party on fire.

 

[ska invita]

I don't think the constituency of "centrist dads" is big enough to carry Labour into power. They've made themselves utterly pointless.

its the infamous Tory/Lab swing seats though isnt it, thats what all policy is driven towards winning

 

[NoXion]

its the infamous Tory/Lab swing seats though isnt it, thats what all policy is driven towards winning

Can't help but think that a political system which relies on a small handful of people who seemingly only ever want different shades of "fucking cunt", is more than a little bit broken.

 

[gosub]

Can't help but think that a political system which relies on a small handful of people who seemingly only ever want different shades of "fucking cunt", is more than a little bit broken.

Seems more like the global norm to me

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

UKIP were the best challenger in Clacton and Rochester and Stroud. It's not impossible that they (or their equivalent) will be the closest placed challenger in some deep blue seats this time around.

This is not a smear, it is the taking your stated position to its logical conclusion. If your "top priority" is to stop a Tory government then you should advocate a vote for any party that will deny them a seat.
If you are only advocating that people vote Labour (Or Liberal? Or SNP?) then by definition your priority is not just to stop a Tory government. And in fact is not different in principle to the position outlined by kabbes, it is just that he draws the line of 'acceptable/useful' party at a different point to you.

So what exactly are you advocating?

The only good reason for anyone to vote UKIP (or Reform UK), is for right wing Tories to vote for them, thus splitting the Tory vote.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

The lion-share of the blame for the ascendency of the Revisionist Starmer Clique must fall squarely with the electorate. If in December 2019 they hadn't allowed themselves to whipped up in an anti-socialist frenzy by the rightwing and liberal rags there could have been some space for leftwing politics in the electoral process. The fact that the electorate overwhelmingly opted for clowncar capitalism over social democracy meant the revisionist degeneration of labour was all but guaranteed.

 

[ska invita]

The lion-share of the blame for the ascendency of the Revisionist Starmer Clique must fall squarely with the electorate.

i blame the labour party members who chose him as leader myself

brexiteers won the last election

 

[SpookyFrank]

i blame the labour party members who chose him as leader myself

brexiteers won the last election

There was a fucking dreadful slate of candidates tbf.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

i blame the labour party members who chose him as leader myself

brexiteers won the last election

Yeah, they got mugged off. Starmer presented himself as someone who would continue Corbyn’s socialist agenda but with the slick communication strategy of the Blairist clique. Of course it turned out to be a lie, a but a seductive one in the aftermath of anti-socialist, reactionary nationalist uprising of December 2019. But the desperation amongst the Labour rank was in the shadow of the political savagery unleashed by the electorate’s counter-revolutionary temper tantrum.

 

[8ball]

Starmer presented himself as someone who would continue Corbyn’s socialist agenda but with the slick communication strategy of the Blairist clique.

Maybe I missed this, but I def don’t think remember it.

 

[ska invita]

Maybe I missed this, but I def don’t think remember it.

you missed it, thats exactly what he did, suckered loads of people, some of whom are now apologising publicly on social media for being duped

 

[8ball]

you missed it, thats exactly what he did, suckered loads of people, some of whom are now apologising publicly on social media for being duped

Fair enough. I don’t really recall him as representing much more than a haircut when he came along.

 

[_Russ_]

i blame the labour party members who chose him as leader myself

Yep, up there with the knobs voting not to have Proportional representation and keeping fptp

 

[redsquirrel]

Yep, up there with the knobs voting not to have Proportional representation and keeping fptp

When did this vote happen? Are you referring to some internal Labour Party debate? Or the pro-LibDem referendum on AV (not PR)?

 

[Elpenor]

Well it seems he has a new fan.

Former Tory minister quits 'self obsessed' party and throws support behind Starmer

Claire Perry O'Neill, a cabinet minister under Theresa May, said the Tories are too beholden by "ideology and self-obsession", whereas Labour is "fact-driven and competent".

news.sky.com

Assume this is the former rail minister?

 

[ska invita]

Saw this and thought of you

 

[Serene]

Everytime starmer says " lets take back control " can someone throw an egg at him? please.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Everytime starmer says " lets take back control " can someone throw an egg at him? please.

What should we throw at him the rest of the time?

 

[Serge Forward]

What should we throw at him the rest of the time?

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Kin ell lol

 

[two sheds]

Would it not be possible for example to remove your own appendix so you didn't need to trouble either your doctor OR a specialist.

 

[Karl Masks]

Kin ell lol

That set must be a joke. How can anyone talk serious policy (not Keir) sat in front of something out of Roobarb and Custard?