Keir Starmer's time is up

[Pickman's model]

Surely there must be a more ideal outcome or ambition than PR and the fucking Lib Dems?

bloody revolution with mps and lords butchered on parliament square while we all take up knitting and watch the tumbrils deliver their human refuse to the guillotine?

 

[Sue]

bloody revolution with mps and lords butchered on parliament square while we all take up knitting and watch the tumbrils deliver their human refuse to the guillotine?

I'm not really a knitter but sure we can work round that..?

 

[The39thStep]

bloody revolution with mps and lords butchered on parliament square while we all take up knitting and watch the tumbrils deliver their human refuse to the guillotine?

That’s fine for an undercard but what about the main event ?

 

[Pickman's model]

That’s fine for an undercard but what about the main event ?

I've TopCat down to be in charge of fireworks as we storm the palace

 

[hash tag]

Indeed. Much as there is something viscerally satisfying about a landslide, all those awful Tory personalities swept away, it would actually be a terrible result for anyone who wants to see genuine change.

With the UK democracy and voting system the way it is, not to mention the people who vote, I doubt that we will ever see much change.

 

[Pickman's model]

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[Serge Forward]

My eyes are wide open to what Starmer's leadership means and see it as a measurably better alternative to the Tories staying in Power, Im interested to hear of an alternative vote that would result in unseating the Tories
(presuming you want them out as top priority)

It's not my top priority and the alternative is only marginally less shite. Also, you're mistaking me for someone opposed to people voting in elections when I'm not. Fuck, I've occasionally voted myself in the past, but where I live now, voting would just mean voting for that Liz Kendall (a Tory with a red rosette) in a constituency where any cunt in a red rosette could get elected. What I'm saying is, voting is not an alternative, it's just making do and I prefer not to encourage this sort of thing. Sure, leftish people, feel free to vote Labour, but you really do need to lower your expectations and exercise your memories about the last Labour government and the nefarious activities of numerous Labour councils.

Of course, there isn't an alternative at present but my top priority is to help build that. The sad thing is, the more people are fixated on Labour winning elections, then the less likely any effective alternative can be built.

 

[redsquirrel]

Surely there must be a more ideal outcome or ambition than PR and the fucking Lib Dems?

Not bothered by PR and the LibDems can get to fuck but I do think a Labour minority government reliant on the SNP (and others) would be better than a (big) Labour majority.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

That’s fine for an undercard but what about the main event ?

Let's all write a stern letter to our MP's, set up a pettiton and hold a peaceful demo.

 

[The39thStep]

Let's all write a stern letter to our MP's, set up a pettiton and hold a peaceful demo.

On here? It would be like herding cats

 

[Pickman's model]

My eyes are wide open to what Starmer's leadership means and see it as a measurably better alternative to the Tories staying in Power, Im interested to hear of an alternative vote that would result in unseating the Tories
(presuming you want them out as top priority)

Don't know what measure you're using, please elaborate

 

[kabbes]

My eyes are wide open to what Starmer's leadership means and see it as a measurably better alternative to the Tories staying in Power, Im interested to hear of an alternative vote that would result in unseating the Tories
(presuming you want them out as top priority)

My “top priority” is a fairer society that doesn’t result in misery and desperation for millions. On the other hand, cheerleading for one bunch of cunts to replace another, who then just continue to work against that top priority, is very, very, very far down my priority list.

 

[andysays]

Let's all write a stern letter to our MP's, set up a pettiton and hold a peaceful demo.

 

[_Russ_]

My “top priority” is a fairer society that doesn’t result in misery and desperation for millions. On the other hand, cheerleading for one bunch of cunts to replace another, who then just continue to work against that top priority, is very, very, very far down my priority list.

Im hardly cheerleading for Labour, how you gonna get to this fairer society if you dont start with toppling the Biggest Cunts first?, Im not sure there are enough Brits that actually give a fuck or even comprehend whats being done to them for wholsale revolution that bypasses that first step and the many others on the road to a fair society

 

[kabbes]

Im hardly cheerleading for Labour, how you gonna get to this fairer society if you dont start with toppling the Biggest Cunts first?, Im not sure there are enough Brits that actually give a fuck or even comprehend whats being done to them for wholsale revolution that bypasses that first step and the many others on the road to a fair society

How does it get me to a fairer society to reward the Labour Party for a heavy shift rightward? Where is there going to be any incentive for a more Social Democratic direction the future? It actually does the opposite. Fuck that.

 

[Serge Forward]

how you gonna get to this fairer society if you dont start with toppling the Biggest Cunts first?

Trouble is, each Labour government since Attlee has shifted further to the right each time. What Starmer offers now is probably well to the right of the Heath government. So this strategy of getting us to a fairer society really isn't working.

 

[_Russ_]

Trouble is, each Labour government since Attlee has shifted further to the right each time. What Starmer offers now is probably well to the right of the Heath government. So this strategy of getting us to a fairer society really isn't working.

OK so the alternative is not to vote or try changing the system?, or what?. talk of revolution does bugger all except get you likes

 

[Serge Forward]

The alternative is to vote if you like (for whatever good it'll do) but make sure you're helping to build workplace and community organisation and activity. You know, those meaningful actions which can build class confidence rather than passivity. It's about doing what we can to help develop a culture of resistance within our class. Up to people whether they talk about revolution or not, but where we are now (when many workers don't even have trade union consciousness) is basic grass roots stuff. Touting for the dead end of Labourism is a waste of time.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I read somewhere recently that Starmer is a Turing test in reverse. Which amused me.

A selected part of a recent Observer magazine cover:

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Have to admit, I'm tempted to vote Labour now.

* just kidding *

Labour would look at banning smoking and the sale of cigarettes, Wes Streeting says

The shadow health minister said Labour will 'think radically' on the NHS and public health

inews.co.uk

I can't stand cigarette smoke though.

 

[ruffneck23]

Well it seems he has a new fan.

Former Tory minister quits 'self obsessed' party and throws support behind Starmer

Claire Perry O'Neill, a cabinet minister under Theresa May, said the Tories are too beholden by "ideology and self-obsession", whereas Labour is "fact-driven and competent".

news.sky.com

 

[ska invita]

Well it seems he has a new fan.

Former Tory minister quits 'self obsessed' party and throws support behind Starmer

Claire Perry O'Neill, a cabinet minister under Theresa May, said the Tories are too beholden by "ideology and self-obsession", whereas Labour is "fact-driven and competent".

news.sky.com

what with Osborne's backing too the Tories seem to have their man

 

[AmateurAgitator]

what with Osborne's backing too the Tories seem to have their man

George Osbourne is backing Starmer?

 

[ska invita]

George Osbourne is backing Starmer?

that was a quote from Osbourne, so yes.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

that was a quote from Osbourne, so yes.

Well, can't say I'm surprised.

 

[Cerv]

"I would rather have [Sunak] and [Hunt]"

"[Starmer] wouldn't be terrible for the country"

strong backing there. can see Labour putting these endorsements on the posters any day now.

 

[rcourt130864]

When arch Tories including the austerity Chancellor are backing Starmer you know that New Labour 2.0 is truly the pre UKIP Tory Party.

 

[redsquirrel]

My eyes are wide open to what Starmer's leadership means and see it as a measurably better alternative to the Tories staying in Power, Im interested to hear of an alternative vote that would result in unseating the Tories
(presuming you want them out as top priority)

If your top priority is to have the Tories out then I take it you are arguing for a vote for the party that is best placed to defeat them in each constituency?
So a 'progressive' alliance, or indeed even a vote for whatever UKIP are calling themselves this week if they are the best placed challenger (admittedly the latter is not really that likely).

 

[Pickman's model]

When arch Tories including the austerity Chancellor are backing Starmer you know that New Labour 2.0 is truly the pre UKIP Tory Party.

Tbh there was more talent within the pre ukip tory party than there is in labour now

 

[Pickman's model]

George Osbourne is backing Starmer?

Well spotted