Keir Starmer's time is up

[Chilli.s]

So just another layer of skimming profit without adding any value

 

[Spandex]

Fucking useless Starmer.

He was never going to nationalise energy companies, but the originally announced policy of setting up a government owned energy company was, on his terms, a solid Blairite plan, the sort of thing Brown would come up with. Working within the capitalist system to deliver a slightly better deal for people while not spooking the markets and leaving it wide open to be easily reversed if a future government decided to privatise the thing. By having a government owned energy company it could've undercut other energy companies by not being required to maximise profits, any profits would've gone to the treasury, providing stability as it'd be underwritten by the state and likely to grow to dominate the energy market. Not my idea of a solution to the energy crisis, but as good as we could hope for from the current version of Labour.

But no. Even that's too radical for Starmer, the pointless blank space.

 

[magneze]

Ffs

 

[two sheds]

Is he just trolling the left now?

"I'm going to do something reeeeeally radical and worthwhile" "Hahahahah no I fooled you again ".

 

[Karl Masks]

It's so radical that Jess St Phillips might leave and then rejoin the Labour party, unlike 200,000 other people

 

[Dystopiary]

Does anyone know about this Sally Eason? I hadn't heard of her before but she's apparently involved with the doco in some way.

Spoiler: screenshots from twitter

Bob from Brockley
Marlon Solomon

 

[tim]

I just finished watching it.

I found it oddly cathartic, as, I suspect, did some of those participating (except perhaps that poor guy who was reduced to tears by it all).

The teary guy was the barrister struck of for lying.

 

[tim]

And even fewer would know the words to that.

Oh Christmas tree, oh Christmas tree...

 

[Karl Masks]

Does anyone know about this Sally Eason? I hadn't heard of her before but she's apparently involved with the doco in some way.

Spoiler: screenshots from twitter

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Bob from Brockley
Marlon Solomon

And here it comes.

How the fuck is anyone supposed to know the truth in all this

 

[Karl Masks]

The teary guy was the barrister struck of for lying.

I don't remember that

 

[tim]

I don't remember that

Funnily enough that was a fact that Al Jazeera didn't highlight.

 

[Karl Masks]

Funnily enough that was a fact that Al Jazeera didn't highlight.

Do you have a better source?

Following all this is exhausting

 

[Dystopiary]

And here it comes.

How the fuck is anyone supposed to know the truth in all this

Here what comes?
Bob from Brockley (amongst others) seems to have an awful lot of receipts.

 

[Karl Masks]

Here what comes?
Bob from Brockley (amongst others) seems to have an awful lot of receipts.

I know, and I'm referring to the inevitable (given Al Jazeera's reputation) backlash against this documentary.

If that backlash is accurate then I want to know whether i've just wasted four hours watching this shit. I mean, if Chris Williamson had turned up in one of those vidoes i'd have switched it off immediately. On the other hand, and while I'm no fan of the guy, I wouldn't have lumped Peter Oborne in with the likes of Chris. The rest of those involved I don't recognise, bar a brief mention of Jackie Walker, and I'm not convinced her case is genuine antisemitism (it could be). This whole thing is just an ongoing shit show which is why I said I found it exhausting. So here it comes = the dismal readjusting of expectations. The party does seem utterly dysfuynctional and determined to offer nothing of substance, despite the presence of bad faith or ignorant actors from the populist left.

I had the same reaction when I came across the "Not the Andrew Marr" Youtube channel which seemed at first blush interesting and engaging. Ordinary labour members and ex members talking stuff from a left perspective. Then I watched a debate between an Alliance for Workers LIbrty (some guy called Pete iirc) and Chris Williamson who spent the entire time making egregiously pro Putin talking points. I switched off in disgust.

 

[Dystopiary]

I know, and I'm referring to the inevitable (given Al Jazeera's reputation) backlash against this documentary.

If that backlash is accurate then I want to know whether i've just wasted four hours watching this shit. I mean, if Chris Williamson had turned up in one of those vidoes i'd have switched it off immediately. On the other hand, and while I'm no fan of the guy, I wouldn't have lumped Peter Oborne in with the likes of Chris. The rest of those involved I don't recognise, bar a brief mention of Jackie Walker, and I'm not convinced her case is genuine antisemitism (it could be). This whole thing is just an ongoing shit show which is why I said I found it exhausting. So here it comes = the dismal readjusting of expectations. The party does seem utterly dysfuynctional and determined to offer nothing of substance, despite the presence of bad faith or ignorant actors from the populist left.

I had the same reaction when I came across the "Not the Andrew Marr" Youtube channel which seemed at first blush interesting and engaging. Ordinary labour members and ex members talking stuff from a left perspective. Then I watched a debate between an Alliance for Workers LIbrty (some guy called Pete iirc) and Chris Williamson who spent the entire time making egregiously pro Putin talking points. I switched off in disgust.

Yeah, I get you. I haven't made my mind up whether to watch it yet.

 

[teqniq]

Not so much about Starmer but more about the whole ethos of the Labour party as it stands now, towards the end it even briefly mentions the Labour files, something which has largely been ignored by a lot of other major media outlets:

As Labour marches forward, is racism in the party being swept under the carpet? | Nesrine Malik

A strange, unsettling amnesty over allegations of prejudice seems to have been granted Keir Starmer’s resurgent party, says Guardian columnist Nesrine Malik

www.theguardian.com

 

[Karl Masks]

Yeah, I get you. I haven't made my mind up whether to watch it yet.

probably better off reading the Forde Report. At least Keith paid for it

 

[Beermoth]

Is he just trolling the left now?

"I'm going to do something reeeeeally radical and worthwhile" "Hahahahah no I fooled you again ".

Now? It's all he's been doing for the last two years...

 

[ska invita]

 

[two sheds]

She should have suggested Gazza. "Oh yes Gazza would be nailed on along with Saka in the forward line".

 

[Elpenor]

If I was a politician I’d just say I don’t really follow football as it’s not my favourite sport, surely that would get more respect than pretending to know about it like most party leaders do

 

[strung out]

He's a big football fan and has been for years.

Suspect he was a bit bamboozled by the phrasing of the question though as Saka doesn't really play 'up front' in the traditional sense, usually playing out wide on the wing, albeit alongside an out and out striker like Kane.

Tried to over think it I reckon.

 

[Raheem]

He's a big football fan and has been for years.

Suspect he was a bit bamboozled by the phrasing of the question though as Saka doesn't really play 'up front' in the traditional sense, usually playing out wide on the wing, albeit alongside an out and out striker like Kane.

Tried to over think it I reckon.

Nah. He pretends to be a big football fan and has done for years.

But, yes, "who would you play him with" is also not a question written by a football fan.

 

[killer b]

I see Sam Tarry has been deselected, another great lesson in 'this is how you do it' for the Labour left, who can now presumably expect to see a load more of the campaign group out on their ear.

 

[Flavour]

Nah Starmer is actually a football fan, before he was labour leader i once saw him in a pub near the Emirates on matchday

 

[belboid]

I see Sam Tarry has been deselected, another great lesson in 'this is how you do it' for the Labour left, who can now presumably expect to see a load more of the campaign group out on their ear.

Don’t think you can really draw such a conclusion from this case. His selection for 2019 was a bit dodgy. The selected candidate would have walked the nomination three years ago if he hadn’t been barred.

Still shit, but Tarry shouldn’t find it hard to find another seat.

 

[ska invita]

Nah Starmer is actually a football fan, before he was labour leader i once saw him in a pub near the Emirates on matchday

aye an arsenal fan

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

The 'not a real football fan' thing is about forty years out of date isn't it. As if there'd be anything unusual about a QC being an Arsenal fan these days.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I am the only one who's never heard the word 'crestfallen' before?

 

[Cid]

I am the only one who's never heard the word 'crestfallen' before?

Er... probably?