brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
That a ShadCab member has to resign over support for just £15/hr NMW is pretty much emblematic of the party's poverty of ambition.Keep treading down the poor is confirmed as a Labour policy
Keir Starmer's time is up
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ska invita
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this is being somewhat misreported I think - the letter specifically says “Yesterday, your office instructed me to go into a meeting and argue against a national minimum wage of £15 an hour, and against statutory sick pay at the living wage. This is something I could not do.”
"Arguing against" is different for being supportive of £15per hour
Elpenor
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SSP at the living wage would be a good policy, it’s not recoverable for most employers (exception being very small employers I think) in the way that SMP is. I think it’s criminal how some companies treat sick pay and their employees, having seen it throughout my working life.
Although ideally companies would care about their staff to provide them with appropriate sick pay.
Although ideally companies would care about their staff to provide them with appropriate sick pay.
gosub
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personally think not sorting out SSP is the bigger fuck up. Post covid everybody knows its a pittance and has a better grasp of why turning up to work sick is a bad idea
ska invita
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SSP at minimum wage is a great idea - i've been on it myself in the past and the £90 a week IIRC was painful - but the state needs to pay it, or businesses need to be means tested to afford it...with lots of these things there are endless small businesses who cant afford £15per hour and SSP can sink them.
We have an economy that is wildly imbalanced...£15 per hour is small change to some and a pipe dream to others...same with rents...its like two parallel worlds out here
Elpenor
Well-Known Member
I was wrong in my earlier cost, it’s not recoverable at all anymore even for micro employers. It was 80% recoverable initially, then dropped to 0% in 1995. So it’s a cost to employers, unlike the parental based absences which are for the most part recoverable. This needs to change. It’s notable if not surprising that no attempt to reverse this measure during the period 1997-2010 when there was a Labour government with a dominant majority.
Micro-employers lose SSP funding
From 6 April, small businesses are to lose the right to reclaim statutory sick pay (SSP) that they pay out… | Health | Finance | Finance | Government | Opinion | National |
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Thought it was one of their few principles or totemsKeep treading down the poor is confirmed as a Labour policy
steveseagull
Well-Known Member
Keith got defeated on going back to electoral college system but he did get through raising the nomination threshold to 20%, which will manly ensure a stale white male is the only person who has a chance of leadership. Think Owen Smith.
It is quite bizarre he has spent half of conference trying to rig the rules for his predecessor. He may know his law stuff but I reckon he is as thick as badger soup when it come to anything else.
ska invita
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nothing bizarre about it - the labour right have had the living shit scared out of them under corbyn and they know what their priority is: to never let it happen again. better do that asap, especially not near an election
It isn't that bizarre is it? It's just the right wing of the party trying to shift the balance of power away from the left wing membership, and towards the right wing PLP. Why wouldn't they do that? One of the failings of Corbynism is that it didn't consilidate the left's control of the party as ruthlessly.
Gramsci
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I've been trying to look up history of OMOV.
Interestingly it wasn't the Left who brought it in. The early times of OMOV was for example opposed by Tony Benn.
Im no expert on Labour Party history but initially OMOV was out forward by those who wanted to reduce old school Trade Union influence. Back years ago.
So when it was first introduced it wasn't about getting left wing leader.
In practise its meant that membership have used OMOV in way they wasn't envisaged back when it was first proposed.
Or have I got this history wrong?
At least back then rule change was proceeded by consultation. Not just decided by right few days before conference.
Gramsci
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Back in John Smith leadership OMOV for parliamentary candidates was considered reducing power of Trade Unions.
www.theguardian.com
Smith pulls off high-risk gamble
In a day of extraordinary tension and turbulent fortune John Smith yesterday won his year-long battle to reshape the selection of Labour parliamentary candidates. But he was saved from political catastrophe only by a last-minute change from one of the largest union delegations and a...
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Who's going to reverse it next year?
#ToryScum
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Not sure of the procedures, but can't there be motion to reverse the change? Assuming that not all left wingers have been expelled by next year, the vote was fairly close and was anyway sort of sprung on conference. Particularly if Keith becomes even more dismal and there's a decent challenger from the left (yes, I know).
no one is going to reverse it next year.
ska invita
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...but rules will no doubt change again at some future time....
I don't pay much attention to Peston, so I didn't realise he was this... blatant
www.itv.com
Sir Keir Starmer gives Labour MPs their party back | ITV News
Keir Starmer has transferred power to MPs in a bid to limit the influence of the left and pitch Labour in the centre of British politics, Robert Peston writes. | ITV National News
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Sure that's right.
Next time they'll probably succeed in pushing through the electoral college changes they dropped this time round.
ska invita
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aye - its what made all those Labour MPs arguing "now is not the time" so annoying - rather than defending democracy they were basically saying, do it next time
gosub
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The further round the electoral cycle and closer to an election the more it will look like naval gazing
steveseagull
Well-Known Member
So anyway, after starting the conference at a level that was fairly disastrous it seems to have gone downhill from there and seems to have been an utterly soulless uninspiring event with all the exciting stuff happening on the fringes.
He has his conference speech tomorrow. Maybe he can revive himself. It is going to be a thick soup of dull managerialism and clichés isn't it?
Maybe he should do his speech from his bunker so no one else hears it.
This poll covers the first part of his conference and it is not looking great. On a plus sign he is still wildly popular with Lib Dems but even that is waning.
He has his conference speech tomorrow. Maybe he can revive himself. It is going to be a thick soup of dull managerialism and clichés isn't it?
Maybe he should do his speech from his bunker so no one else hears it.
This poll covers the first part of his conference and it is not looking great. On a plus sign he is still wildly popular with Lib Dems but even that is waning.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Yep, if the left couldn't sort themselves out in terms of party processes and decision making when they had Corbyn as leader and hundreds of thousands of new members, they aint't going to be able to do anything now.
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