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well thats wrong - the Tories are soft on crime - not like Our Glorious Protecter QC Starmer Director Of All Prosecutions
Keir Starmer's time is up
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Yes. But it's being discussed here, and elsewhere, as if it's a direct quote. Which is why The Independent wrote it the way they did.
I'm not very interested, though I'm sure if you looked hard enough you could concoct a similar headline about Corbyn. This was certainly an attack line in the 2019 election over his position on Brexit.
All I'm saying is that Starmer didn't say what the Independent headline makes out he did, and that posters should perhaps read the story behind a headline before discussing it
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Yeah...and I agree with you that people should pay more attention to what they share 'as if true'. My point was that, in many respects, it doesn't actually matter.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
To you, on this thread, in discussion more widely? Yes. In terms of 'politics', the creation and deployment of 'characters' as ideological fetish objects? Not in the slightest.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
OK killer b . I'll come clean. I wasn't actually quoting Starmer in my post above, just summarising and extrapolating from his entire political career.
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I like how Starmers response to the Black Lives Matter moment was the Tories Are Defunding The Police...Refund The Police!
Clearly a lot of thinking went into that
Tories have ‘defunded the police’, says shadow home secretary
Nick Thomas-Symonds tells Labour conference he will not take money away from police forces
I don't really understand what this means tbh
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This all might work... Tories preside over mild societal collapse, the media boost Starmer, he wins key marginals etc . It's not impossible. There's some painful Brexit stuff coming next year. Crucial could be what three word slogan the Tories come up with!
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
It weren't me.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
That the characters being created and presented "decadent Dave", "pragmatic Kier" allow us to project all kinds of political meaning onto them. So, for Starmer, it doesn't matter whether he actually said he'd renage on his pledges, but that it is a believable part of his "character" allows those who seek to be convinced of his pragmatism over politics to see that in this.
We have Johnson as PM because of Corbyn.
Nobody needs to heat that nonsense!
lazythursday
Averagely-Known Member
This is a very odd use of language, 'lost in the woods', no? It's making me think of Boris and Gove and Priti on some sort of outward bound thing, jolly japes in a rural idyll. It doesn't seem that bad - bit of contact with the natural world and all that. If anything it seems to make the Tories appear more environmentally sensitive. If he'd said 'lost in the desert' at least it conjures up scarcity, both regarding things in the shops and ideas!
Makes me think of Someone to Watch Over Me (song) - Wikipedia
There's a somebody I'm longing to see
I hope that she turns out to be
Someone who'll watch over me
I'm a little lamb who's lost in the woods
I know I could always be good
To one who will watch over me
Although I may not be the man some
Girls think of as handsome
It's my heart she carries the key
Won't you tell her please to put on some speed
Follow my lead oh how I need
Someone to watch over me
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
This is pretty good from Edgerton. His rather airy dismissal of the importance of ‘red wall’ does have some problems: not least that Labour would be unlikely to be able to even form a minority government without it but his arguments on the economy are useful:
www.davidedgerton.org
RENEWING LABOUR — David Edgerton
The line from the briefers on the eve of Starmer’s speech to the Labour Party conference is that Labour is now looking outward, to the future and is determined to win. The bleak reality is that it looks inward ever more, finding fault with itself, is obsessed with the recent past of the pa
www.davidedgerton.org
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
It's the language of a technocrat trying to project competence. He's declaring that he's not interested in the Tory's ideological project or having one of his own, he'll just be better at governing than them because he knows what he's doing. Fits with the whole Zombie Blairism he's trying to sell.
lazythursday
Averagely-Known Member
I agree, but even within those technocratic boundaries, there are better ways of framing it. It's not just zombie Blairism, it's pound shop zombie Blairism.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
What the fuck is it with him always holding a coffee in these publicity shots? I've seen it several times now.
PR whatthefuckery aside, it's not a great look environmentally.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
recall stephen kinnock trying to put that on glynnis raher than N Kinnocks poor footing? shameless.
It’s what tories do.
Good catch.
I guess some PR wonk has decided it projects an image of him being both hard working as well as human and relatable - grabbing a coffee to go early in the morning on the way to work.
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