Keir Starmer's time is up

[Sue]

I’ll give it a go. Can’t be any worse than the last few leaders

Hopefully you can at least hold a pint like you've done it before and therefore win over the working classes (I'm sure that's pretty much all that's required .)

 

[not a trot]

He's just not electable Labour needs someone who's electable.

So who was the last electable left wing Labour leader ?

Just asking for a friend.

 

[glitch hiker]

And what happened when Starmer took over?

The guy's a spineless fucking disaster.

I wasn't suggesting otherwise

 

[Brainaddict]

I hadn't paid much attention to their actual Hartlepool campaign. It may surprise you to learn that it was a steaming pile of excrement, with a flag stuck in the top: ‘Obsessed with the flag’: Labour recriminations begin in Hartlepool

 

[elbows]

So who was the last electable left wing Labour leader ?

Just asking for a friend.

If electable is just code for being treated kindly by the terrible media in this country, then answer came there none.

 

[campanula]

Jesus wept - all the fault of 'long Corbyn'.

Can't bear anymore - off to the allotment quicksmart.

 

[strung out]

Keir Starmer has taken Labour to their lowest number of sitting MPs since 1935. Shameful.

 

[elbows]

I dont think I'd place any hope in Labour being a useful force unless they lost their sense of electoral entitlement, at which point I doubt they would have much advantage over just starting from scratch with a different party anyway, hopefully with a less dull and hideous mix of positions.

 

[Cid]

The stats at the top choose to miss out 2019, where Corbyn lost 60 seats.

It's also a bit daft framing it like that (in terms of seats lost year by year). I mean what Corbyn actually did in 2017 was win 4 more seats than Brown. Blair may have lost seats, but he lost them after achieving a landslide victory in 1997. And 2019 was the lowest number of seats since 1935. Until the 2021 Hartlepool byelection of course.

Not to give too much credit to titanic piece of shit Blair, or to diminish too much 2017. But yeah.

 

[Brainaddict]

At the risk of ventriloquising voters who aren't me, I wonder if might occur to the Labour Party head honchos one day that when many voters say in focus groups that they value patriotism, what they might mean is something like 'I value a country that makes me feel valued, and I insist on wanting that country even when it seems fictional'. The flag is not the point you worthless PR-machine pricks.

 

[brogdale]

He's on live and sounding quite unhinged.

 

[Mr Moose]

Starmer looking like he’s about to burst into tears, which would be a rare venture into the human world for him.

 

[glitch hiker]

Who is there you can take over from Starmer ? At the moment I can't see an alternative leader . They might (and probably will) have to lose another general election and no one wants to lead a defeat.

Im guessing Liz Kendall, Yvette Cooper, or Emily Thornberry would put themselves forward, or Jess Philips. Andy Burnham too.

So, no one

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Or is he taking a shit? Maybe a cry- shit?

 

[Mr Moose]

At the risk of ventriloquising voters who aren't me, I wonder if might occur to the Labour Party head honchos one day that when many voters say in focus groups that they value patriotism, what they might mean is something like 'I value a country that makes me feel valued, and I insist on wanting that country even when it seems fictional'. The flag is not the point you worthless PR-machine pricks.

This is right, but let’s face it, it’s an uphill battle. Labour can be spun as not valuing certain people if it so much as shows a bit of support for BLM. It gets a pile on from left and right.

 

[chilango]

He's on live and sounding quite unhinged.

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what a dull selection of books

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Im guessing Liz Kendall, Yvette Cooper, or Emily Thornberry would put themselves forward, or Jess Philips. Andy Burnham too.

So, no one

Amazingly I reckon Burnham would have the best crack at it and he's not even an MP anymore!

 

[TopCat]

what a dull selection of books

He needs a copy of Justine to liven it up.

 

[Quote]

Starmer advisor:

"You're gonna need a bigger flag..."

 

[hitmouse]

Fucking hell, have we had this one?

Two in five healthcare workers vote Conservative in local elections

Just 32% of those surveyed said they intended to vote for the Labour Party.

nursingnotes.co.uk

A massive 42% of healthcare workers intended to vote Conservative in yesterday’s local elections.

Two in five healthcare workers voted for the Conservative Party in this week’s local elections, according to a recent poll.

A survey of 1,843 healthcare workers undertaken by NursingNotes reveals that a massive 42% intended to vote Conservative in yesterday’s local elections.

Just 32% of those surveyed said they intended to vote for the Labour Party.

In stark contrast, a previous survey revealed that 82% of healthcare workers intended to vote for the Labour Party in the 2019 General Election while the Conservative Party picked up just 6% of the vote.

Still, the Conservatives have been so generous to healthcare workers since 2019, it's hard to see how Labour could possibly compete with that.

 

[Cid]

He's on live and sounding quite unhinged.

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For reference this is about 16:03 on today's BBC 1 election coverage.

 

[teqniq]

Fucking hell, have we had this one?

Two in five healthcare workers vote Conservative in local elections

Just 32% of those surveyed said they intended to vote for the Labour Party.

nursingnotes.co.uk

Still, the Conservatives have been so generous to healthcare workers since 2019, it's hard to see how Labour could possibly compete with that.

i saw this earlier. Difficult to understand.

 

[Hollis]

The Starmer twat has got to fucking go!

1997 won 145 seats: Blair
2001 lost 5 seats: Blair
2005 lost 48 seats: Blair
2010 lost 97 seats: Brown
2015 lost 26 seats: Miliband
2017 won 30 seats: Corbyn
Corbyn is the only Labour in the 21st century to win more seats

Votes won by Labour leaders

2019 - Corbyn 10,295,607
2017 - Corbyn 12,878,460
2015 - Miliband 9,347,273
2010 - Brown 8,609,527
2005 - Blair 9,552,436
2001 - Blair - 10,724,953
1997 - Blair 13,518,167

Amazing what you can show with timelines..

 

[TopCat]

i saw this earlier. Difficult to understand.

It would be wise to listen to what they have to say.

 

[Argonia]

Wait how come 10,724,953 votes in 2001 gave a stonking majority but 10,295,607 votes in 2019 gave the worst results since 1935?

 

[teqniq]

It would be wise to listen to what they have to say.

You mean stuff like this?



Nevermind the blatant corruption eh? I wonder where she gets her news from.

 

[TopCat]

You mean stuff like this?

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Nevermind the blatant corruption eh? I wonder where she gets her news from.

I think you need to take from that statement that the nurse perceived the present govt to be more competent at managing capital and society than Starmer and his lot.

 

[Pickman's model]

He's just irredeemably dull. Stiff as cardboard. Zero charisma.

Dull is fine when you have some actual principles. Corbyn has - to many - dull hobbies. But at least he has some actual beliefs. Starmer hides any he has under a bushel

 

[Pickman's model]

I think you need to take from that statement that the nurse perceived the present govt to be more competent at managing capital and society than Starmer and his lot.

Well we'll never know if starmer's more competent because he'll never get the opportunity to demonstrate how he'd manage capital and society

 

[Pickman's model]

Wait how come 10,724,953 votes in 2001 gave a stonking majority but 10,295,607 votes in 2019 gave the worst results since 1935?

Corbyn