Keir Starmer's time is up

[TopCat]

I don't think your union rep can do that for you, for obvious reasons. In my union you have to do that yourself.

You opt out of the political fund.

 

[tony.c]

You opt out of the political fund.

Yes, but from my experience (CWU Branch Organiser and Political Officer) members had to fill in a form to opt out. Maybe it can be done online now.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

I don't think your union rep can do that for you, for obvious reasons. In my union you have to do that yourself.

No, she did (and probably had a wee cheer, she being a big SNP supporter ).

 

[tony.c]

No, she did (and probably had a wee cheer, she being a big SNP supporter ).

Then presumably she could untick as many members as she can get away with?

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Then presumably she could untick as many members as she can get away with?

I suppose she could, but I have no reason to believe she would.

 

[two sheds]

I think I just emailed them (union itself rather than union rep though) and they emailed me back to say they'd done it which surprised me since I'd assumed I'd have to fill out a form, possibly in triplicate.

 

[glitch hiker]

Remind me what happened to Labour's membership numbers when Corbyn was leader?

I believe it increased

Revealed: how Jeremy Corbyn has reshaped the Labour party

Leader’s hopes of remoulding the party boosted as Guardian survey shows surge in members, huge support and shift to the left

www.theguardian.com

 

[editor]

I believe it increased

Revealed: how Jeremy Corbyn has reshaped the Labour party

Leader’s hopes of remoulding the party boosted as Guardian survey shows surge in members, huge support and shift to the left

www.theguardian.com

And what happened when Starmer took over?

The guy's a spineless fucking disaster.

 

[Hollis]

Discuss... I think this should manage to piss off everybody..

 

[Ax^]

why have I got a feeling that all Starmer is going to take away from all this


is that he will need to stand in front of more flags during press conference in future

 

[Pickman's model]

why have I got a feeling that all Starmer is going to take away from all this


is that he will need to stand in front of more flags during press conference in future

that's excessive when all so many labour supporters want is to see him at one end of a rope

 

[Kaka Tim]

why have I got a feeling that all Starmer is going to take away from all this

Labour has become the party of the professional and managerial classes, student radicals, social activists and uber-liberals living in our fashionable cities. Oh, and Twitter. The umbilical cord joining it to the working class has been severed. It may well prove terminal.

is that he will need to stand in front of more flags during press conference in future

cos young (like under 35) people living in cities paying sky hight rents and earning shit money on zero hours contracts arent properly working class cos they might be quite well educated and tend to be a bit woke. And/or not totally white.
Labours problem is that it seems a big chunk of its former core vote in the "heartlands" are older, more socially conservative, not concerned about the environment and voted leave (thus seeing labour as "traitors") . Moves to appease these voters (who may also be homeowners and not particularly deprived) will struggle to seem credible and will alienate the younger more urban voters - who likely voted remain, are socially liberal and liked corbyn).
Labours only hope is to campaign for progressive alternative and try to win people over to their point of view. And this is exactly what they wont do because "LABOUR ONLY WINS FROM THE CENTRE" is an iron law undisturbed by big changes in society, the economy or demographics.

 

[two sheds]

Keir Starmer must go for Labour to become electable, says Lord Adonis

Blairite ex-minister says leader lacks political skills needed to defeat Conservatives

www.independent.co.uk

A senior member of Labour’s Blairite wing has said Keir Starmer must be replaced as leader to give the party a chance of winning elections.

Andrew Adonis - who served in the governments of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown - said that Starmer was “a nice man and a good human rights lawyer” but lacked the political skills to succeed at the highest level.

Oh the irony

 

[marty21]

Who is there you can take over from Starmer ? At the moment I can't see an alternative leader . They might (and probably will) have to lose another general election and no one wants to lead a defeat.

 

[Orang Utan]

Who is there you can take over from Starmer ? At the moment I can't see an alternative leader . They might (and probably will) have to lose another general election and no one wants to lead a defeat.

I’ll give it a go. Can’t be any worse than the last few leaders

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

I’ll give it a go. Can’t be any worse than the last few leaders

Yeah, but I'm not voting for you because 5 years ago you retweeted something which someone else disagreed with in a manner which I can only describe as unsatisfactory.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Who is there you can take over from Starmer ? At the moment I can't see an alternative leader . They might (and probably will) have to lose another general election and no one wants to lead a defeat.

Angela Raynor by a mile - and Burnham if he becomes an MP.

 

[ska invita]

Interesting (ish):

"I’ve been speaking to the left-wing Labour MP Lloyd Russell Moyle, who won the race on Twitter to be the first to criticise his leader this morning. He said Sir Keir Starmer went down well in some parts of the country, but in others he reminded people of Ed Miliband – “uncharismatic and inauthentic.”

He doesn’t think MPs in the Socialist Campaign Group will make a concerted move today - but they are meeting up with fellow left-wingers next week to start work on proposals for radical reform of the party.

This would be either moving towards a federal structure in England - with leaders in cities and regions and a co-ordinator at Westminster - or turning it into a party of parties, such as by allying with the Greens."

 

[editor]

The Starmer twat has got to fucking go!


2001 lost 5 seats: Blair
2005 lost 48 seats: Blair
2010 lost 97 seats: Brown
2015 lost 26 seats: Miliband
2017 won 30 seats: Corbyn
Corbyn is the only Labour in the 21st century to win more seats

Votes won by Labour leaders

2019 - Corbyn 10,295,607
2017 - Corbyn 12,878,460
2015 - Miliband 9,347,273
2010 - Brown 8,609,527
2005 - Blair 9,552,436

 

[editor]

Who is there you can take over from Starmer ? At the moment I can't see an alternative leader . They might (and probably will) have to lose another general election and no one wants to lead a defeat.

My vote would go to

Bell Ribeiro-Addy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Starmer got rid of her role as Shadow Minister for Immigration, probably because she's not right wing enough.

 

[Brainaddict]

Zarah Sultana often impresses me, but she's a bit young and new, and perhaps 'too left wing' for much of the party to accept.

 

[Chz]

(That’s Corbyn’s deputy head of communications and strategy before the 2017 general election, for context).

While I do think Stamer's startlingly useless, I don't think there'd be any point to resigning over just Hartlepool..
Do they think ex-Labour voters look at Labour, say "bah, that's not left wing enough for us, we're going to vote for the fucking Tories instead"?
Hartlepool would've happened regardless of leadership.

 

[Pickman's model]

While I do think Stamer's startlingly useless, I don't think there'd be any point to resigning over just Hartlepool..
Do they think ex-Labour voters look at Labour, say "bah, that's not left wing enough for us, we're going to vote for the fucking Tories instead"?

I don't think labour voters will have voted Tory in great numbers but instead stopped in

What's the point of starmer if he can't bring them out

 

[two sheds]

He's just not electable Labour needs someone who's electable.

 

[editor]

He's just not electable Labour needs someone who's electable.

He's just irredeemably dull. Stiff as cardboard. Zero charisma.

 

[belboid]

Apparently what the country needs isn't a dull middle manager with no ideas of his own. I'm shocked.

 

[Wilf]

The Starmer twat has got to fucking go!


2001 lost 5 seats: Blair
2005 lost 48 seats: Blair
2010 lost 97 seats: Brown
2015 lost 26 seats: Miliband
2017 won 30 seats: Corbyn
Corbyn is the only Labour in the 21st century to win more seats

Votes won by Labour leaders

2019 - Corbyn 10,295,607
2017 - Corbyn 12,878,460
2015 - Miliband 9,347,273
2010 - Brown 8,609,527
2005 - Blair 9,552,436

The stats at the top choose to miss out 2019, where Corbyn lost 60 seats.

 

[Ax^]

count Binface is my suggestions

cannot do much worst

 

[two sheds]

The stats at the top choose to miss out 2019, where Corbyn lost 60 seats.

You always have to spoil things

 

[BlanketAddict]

David Milliband checking his phone a lot today...