Jim Murphy is new Scottish Labour leader.

[superfly101]

 

[danny la rouge]

It's weird how the English and Scottish "editions" are more like "sister" papers than editions of the same paper.

The English Sun is still running scare stories and jockophobic hysteria.

It's never a comfortable position to be in, to be "endorsed" by that filth. But it should be remembered that they're not leading their readership, they're chasing it. They want to sell copies. Chasing the 20% that say they'll vote Labour isn't a big enough market.

 

[gosub]

ScotLab MP talks sense shocker...

iirc Murphy vowed not to lose a single seat when he became Scottish Labour leader.

 

[agricola]

It's weird how the English and Scottish "editions" are more like "sister" papers than editions of the same paper.

The English Sun is still running scare stories and jockophobic hysteria.

It's never a comfortable position to be in, to be "endorsed" by that filth. But it should be remembered that they're not leading their readership, they're chasing it. They want to sell copies. Chasing the 20% that say they'll vote Labour isn't a big enough market.

They are both running anti-Labour angles though, probably (as the latest Private Eye amply demonstrates) at the behest of Murdoch and because of his interests (rather than in order to follow what "their readership" wants, as if they have ever done that).

 

[dishevelled]

It's weird how the English and Scottish "editions" are more like "sister" papers than editions of the same paper.

It's not weird at all. What makes you think it's weird.

 

[danny la rouge]

They are both running anti-Labour angles though, probably (as the latest Private Eye amply demonstrates) at the behest of Murdoch and because of his interests (rather than in order to follow what "their readership" wants, as if they have ever done that).

You think they'd come out for SNP if they were getting 17% in the polls? They've come out for SNP because they're getting 54% in the polls.

 

[Tankus]

Play to your market to maximise profit .....

 

[agricola]

You think they'd come out for SNP if they were getting 17% in the polls? They've come out for SNP because they're getting 54% in the polls.

Really? He doesnt want to support Miliband-era Labour, so he puts his support behind the only realistic alternative (which should be pointed out has been sucking up to him for quite some time).

 

[danny la rouge]

Yes, really.

 

[weepiper]

Time for a reminder of this article? Yes, I think it is.

 

[Sue]

Time for a reminder of this article? Yes, I think it is.

Oh my. Hadn't seen that before.

 

[danny la rouge]

This can't fail, surely?

David Blunkett [the latest to] say Scots have "stopped listening... switched off to rational argument."

https://www.politicshome.com/party-...ami-will-be-milibands-biggest-challenge-david

Dumb Scots. Why won't you vote for us? Stupid people.

 

[dishevelled]

I find it amusing that when it was the referendem vote last year, you got all the total knobjobs with their open letters begging the people of Scotland to "see sense and remain part of this great nation that we have... "

Now they're sat at home going... "I wish I'd never written that fucking letter... I wish they had got independence... now I've got up to 50 fucking sweaties coming down here and telling me what to do. Fuck... fuck... fuckity fuck. I wonder what the property prices are like in Spain."

And you... yes you Susan fucking Boyle... you can fuck of 'an all!!

 

[William of Walworth]

This can't fail, surely?

David Blunkett [the latest to] say Scots have "stopped listening... switched off to rational argument."

https://www.politicshome.com/party-...ami-will-be-milibands-biggest-challenge-david

Dumb Scots. Why won't you vote for us? Stupid people.

Thats pretty insulting, and utterly crap.

But might there be a different case for saying that in Scotland, it really doesn't matter what Labour say any more, most voters have made up their mind and not in Labour's favour.

Not a 'dumb Scots' point from me at all, just saying intentions look pretty solidly fixed for most by now. The reasons will be in those links you posted for me way back plus elsewhere in this thread.

 

[DotCommunist]

but thats what they're not saying. Saying 'We've lost it in most of scotland, they just don't want what we are offering'

'is different from Blunkett's 'reasoned arguments' that they aren't listening to. Just had enough of blairites would be more honest.

 

[danny la rouge]

Oh, look, panicking Scottish Labour MPs fearing for their stipends:

"Dump Murphy"

"people who enjoyed the referendum aren't scared of another referendum"

Who'd have thought it?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/gen...cottish-campaign-from-failing-Jim-Murphy.html

 

[danny la rouge]

Just been sent this. Wasn't sure where to put it.

It's John Harris in Coatbridge. Working class, Catholic, traditional Labour area. Very like where my Dad's side of the family is from, Blantyre (coal mining, steel working area). I know Coatbridge a bit, but it's very, very like communities I grew up knowing. The social club could easily be my granddad's club.

Anyway, what's interesting is how incredibly soft even the residual Labour vote appears to be. The local Labour MP takes Harris to pre-selected strong Labour doorsteps, but just a few gentle questions gets them wavering. Listen out for "Remember Keir Hardie? That was the right Labour Party".

The SNP also shows him pre-selected voters, of course. But they seem more resolute.

If that reading is accurate: that even the 20% they have left is soft, then Labour are in even more trouble than I thought.

Also interesting is how insecure Tom Clark seems. He comes across as very patronising, proprietorial, and keen to protect his position. You can sense the entitlement and the sense he has of it slipping away. And he's meant to be one of the good ones!

Anyway, here's the film:

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-snp-scotland-election-video?CMP=share_btn_tw

 

[Frankie Jack]

Tried to watch that last night. It screams dinosaur to me.

 

[treelover]

Oh, look, panicking Scottish Labour MPs fearing for their stipends:

"Dump Murphy"

"people who enjoyed the referendum aren't scared of another referendum"

Who'd have thought it?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11575502/Ed-Miliband-must-take-over-Scottish-campaign-from-failing-Jim-Murphy.html

Couldn't happen to a nicer person.

 

[Celyn]

...

Also interesting is how insecure Tom Clark seems. He comes across as very patronising, proprietorial, and keen to protect his position. You can sense the entitlement and the sense he has of it slipping away. And he's meant to be one of the good ones!
...

Absolutely! That bit where John Harris is trying to talk to the tame Labour voter and Tom Clarke interrupts, laughs, claps hand, generally blusters and hectors so that there can be no wee chat with the voter. I didn't like his style at all - very "entitled".

 

[Pickman's model]

there is only one tom clarke worth mentioning and he died in may 1916

 

[danny la rouge]

there is only one tom clarke worth mentioning and he died in may 1916

I disagree. There's another excellent Tom Clarke.

You don't know him, though.

 

[brogdale]

Come on you Jocks...what's not to like?

 

[dishevelled]

Come on you Jocks...what's not to like?

It's great... desperation and futility. What a great match.

 

[redsquirrel]

Just been sent this. Wasn't sure where to put it.

It's John Harris in Coatbridge. Working class, Catholic, traditional Labour area. Very like where my Dad's side of the family is from, Blantyre (coal mining, steel working area). I know Coatbridge a bit, but it's very, very like communities I grew up knowing. The social club could easily be my granddad's club.

Amazingly I think Harris has become one the best mainstream political commentators around. His UKIP stuff is miles better than most and this article on the longer term problems the Tories have is worth a read at least (it's not saying a lot new, just another aspect to the long death of the Conservative party but it's still much better than most stuff).

 

[Tankus]

Just been sent this. Wasn't sure where to put it.

It's John Harris in Coatbridge. Working class, Catholic, traditional Labour area. Very like where my Dad's side of the family is from, Blantyre (coal mining, steel working area). I know Coatbridge a bit, but it's very, very like communities I grew up knowing. The social club could easily be my granddad's club.

Anyway, what's interesting is how incredibly soft even the residual Labour vote appears to be. The local Labour MP takes Harris to pre-selected strong Labour doorsteps, but just a few gentle questions gets them wavering. Listen out for "Remember Keir Hardie? That was the right Labour Party".

The SNP also shows him pre-selected voters, of course. But they seem more resolute.

If that reading is accurate: that even the 20% they have left is soft, then Labour are in even more trouble than I thought.

Also interesting is how insecure Tom Clark seems. He comes across as very patronising, proprietorial, and keen to protect his position. You can sense the entitlement and the sense he has of it slipping away. And he's meant to be one of the good ones!

Anyway, here's the film:

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-snp-scotland-election-video?CMP=share_btn_tw

There are some excellent vids by tom Harris there, cheers for the link

 

[dishevelled]

I see the bookies have the SNP doing a total wipeout in Scotland at 5-1

If I were a tory in Scotland?...

 

[redsquirrel]

If I were a tory in Scotland?...

Probably be happier than a Labour supporter.

 

[dishevelled]

Probably be happier than a Labour supporter.

Probably be richer

 

[Tankus]

Be really funny if the Tories come second such is millibands demise