Jim Murphy is new Scottish Labour leader.
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danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Not sure where I want to say this, but here's an interesting story for you.
An old friend of mine, English-born No voter who lives in Edinburgh South and voted Labour yesterday (unenthusiastically), has just emailed me. He said more or less what I said here; he's looked at the results, is dismayed that Miliband's bid is as left as the establishment permits, and therefore has concluded that (I quote him here):
"However seeing the results in England, and with the realisation that no change can ever come there, I am finally persuaded that independence is the best course for Scotland, and the sooner the better".
This is what someone who has just elected the last of Scotland's Labour MPs is saying today: "bring on Indyref2"
An old friend of mine, English-born No voter who lives in Edinburgh South and voted Labour yesterday (unenthusiastically), has just emailed me. He said more or less what I said here; he's looked at the results, is dismayed that Miliband's bid is as left as the establishment permits, and therefore has concluded that (I quote him here):
"However seeing the results in England, and with the realisation that no change can ever come there, I am finally persuaded that independence is the best course for Scotland, and the sooner the better".
This is what someone who has just elected the last of Scotland's Labour MPs is saying today: "bring on Indyref2"
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not what i thought you looked like i must say
weepiper
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It was a late night.
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but in at least one way, a good one
And, of course, even if every single Scottish seat were Labour, it would not have changed the fact that we (I mean "we" as in the whole of the U.K. here) are stuck with a Tory government.
I am very very pleased with the Scottish results, and glad to get rid of Curran, Murphy etc., but am genuinely scared of whatever bad shit is going to happen regarding employment legislation, wages, housing, NHS*, social security, and just about everything. For just one example, what about the evil plan not to allow anyone under age of 25 to have any housing benefit? Doesn't affect me, of course, but what a nasty horrible idea.
Bad bad stuff is going to happen.
*Yes, I know there is NHS England, NHS Scotland, NHS Wales, NHS Northern Ireland, but if the Tories fuck up the English NHS, then there is an effect on the funding for every NHS.
I am very very pleased with the Scottish results, and glad to get rid of Curran, Murphy etc., but am genuinely scared of whatever bad shit is going to happen regarding employment legislation, wages, housing, NHS*, social security, and just about everything. For just one example, what about the evil plan not to allow anyone under age of 25 to have any housing benefit? Doesn't affect me, of course, but what a nasty horrible idea.
Bad bad stuff is going to happen.
*Yes, I know there is NHS England, NHS Scotland, NHS Wales, NHS Northern Ireland, but if the Tories fuck up the English NHS, then there is an effect on the funding for every NHS.
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a hard rain's a-gonna fall
I was amazed that Labour lost Glasgow North-East. Kind of amazed at getting rid of Margaret Curran from Glasgow East too, but at least I had heard that the mood there was going to be good for SNP and bad for her. As for Jim Murphy - well, WOW.
And all those Lanarkshire places - holy shit. Very pleased that Tom Clarke lost Coatbridge.Ach, just realised I could go through a long list of ex MPs whose demise made me happy, but you get the general idea.
a hard rain's a-gonna fall
Yes, it did have that sort of tone, I suppose.
But really, it is! Hard rain gonna fall and bad stuff will happen.Run for the hills! Before the Tories privatise the hills.
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Yes, it did have that sort of tone, I suppose.
Run for the hills! Before the Tories privatise the hills.
It feels happy to get shot of a whole bunch of Labour MPs, most of whom were in it for a comfy career, and fuck-all to do with representing their constituents. There's a whole culture of entitlement about those MPs - oh and in local councils too. I have followed some of the stories here on Urban about, e.g. Lambeth council, and it sounds nearly as bad as Glasgow City Council -jobs for the boys, strange property dealings, and so on.
Sorry, back to your question.
Oh yes, we will have all the same brutal cuts. So many things are not devolved. Tax, employment law, pensions, unemployment benefit - in fact the whole of the DWP stuff. Usefully, the NHS is for Scotland to manage, BUT if Westminster suddenly decides that it is only going to allow NHS England to have £5 and maybe a biscuit if it's good, that affects funding for NHS Scotland (and Wales and N.I.)
So yeah, we "won" but that makes no difference really. The hope is that this new set of MPs will at least try to do good stuff. Labour MPs from Scotland tended to do whatever Boss-man Miliband/Brown/Blair told them to do, in terms of voting and all that.
Remember, Jim Murphy and all of Scottish Labour voting for tuition fees in England? They had no business doing so, but they did anyway, because that's what the boss wanted them to do. SNP MPs have traditionally NOT voted on matters that are purely English. Labour has no such compunction.
Oops, that was a bit of digression, and I'm sorry. But yes, the same damn cuts. Scottish Parliament has very limited powers, but can sometimes re-arrange the piggy bank a bit - like getting rid of the bedroom tax.
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who is labour leader in scotland now? something of a poisoned chalice, i suspect
weepiper
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Murphy has such an incredible brass neck that he's refusing to resign.who is labour leader in scotland now? something of a poisoned chalice, i suspect
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a complex mass of conflicting ideas
Spud reckons he's staying on as the party needs him but Chairchoob(Ian Davidson) will stick a knife in soon enough I hope
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i hear there's quite the queue for stabbing duties.Spud reckons he's staying on as the party needs him but Chairchoob(Ian Davidson) will stick a knife in soon enough I hope
Jim Murphy is. Says he won't stand down because he's so bloody wonderful or something.
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And he says he's going to be First Minister next year.
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And he says he's going to be First Minister next year.
oh my lord
what a fucking piece of shit that man is
Nonsense! He can shout loudly and ... ok .... that is the end of his skills list, I suppose.
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there's no one left.
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Spud reckons he's staying on as the party needs him but e Chairchoob(Ian Davidson) will stick a knife in soon enough I hope
Is that the Ian Davidson who wants to go around bayoneting the wounded?
weepiper
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Yep. He can console himself by bayonetting crisp packets in the park with a sweepie pole.
Will no-one rid me of this turbulent pest?
Actually Boss of Labour Party could sack him, given that the whole "Leader of the Scottish Labour Party" thing is a fiction, as there is no such entity as the "Scottish Labour Party".
Of course Miliband has resigned, so it would be for the new boss to sack him.
And when he meets any woman he doesn't like, he can threaten to give her "a do-ing".
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