Jews stoned in East End (again)
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your 2 examples miss the point ..
1)SWP/Respect HAVE made capital out of racial attacks .. but did NOT in this case .. so for the fire example you should have written 'SWP condemn fire at bengali flats but NOT whites jews flats etc etc'
2) the grapes thing makes no sense
let me ask you a question ..
have the SWP /Respect used race attacks ( real or perceived ) and portrayed the war for oil as a war against muslims, to make political capital?
i believe you agree that they have .. so then it is surely legitimate to question why they use attacks in one context and not in an other .. is is clealry to gain political capital
could you also explain how you say i have hijacked a thread when this dig is in the OP .. "Presumably, the cowardly little thugs in question are not among the 500+ youths over whom Big Abjol Miah claims "influence"."
you simply can NOT discuss TH politics and attacks in TH without bringing in the SWP / respect behaviour over the last few years .. your attempt to talk of this attack in the abstract makes no sense
and of this
"you continue attempt to have people who disagree with you framed as supporters of your arch nemisis, banned from posting for not supporting your point of view, riddiculled, insulted, defamed, abused and generally attacked"
.. sorry but where? where have i abused sworn insulted and attacked .. i have simply defended my position and been repeatedly called a cunt ponce etc by you .. disgusting mate disgusting
i am told thru the grapevine you are a good man who will do anyone a favour, so respect for that, but also that you are not very political .. that puts your ( still inexcusable ) behaviour in context and makes it easier for me to understand why you feel upset and think i have used this thread
garfield unlike yourself i ahve been involved in east london for 2 decades and seen the damage bringing race into it causes. First the in the 7ts far right did it, then from the 8ts the Labour Party used race and now in the 00's we see the SWP /respect using race .. this is f'ing disasterous mate partiulalry with a resurgent BNP
so please try to see it in proportion .. my comments and your upset on a web forum against the real world of racialising of politics in the east end that i have referred too, and ask yourself what is worse .. p.s. you know if you had simply said 'start a new thread' i would have done
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
oh am i the 7th.funny in itself.
Yep, the seventh person to make the joke about the thread title.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
you have a fiar point that my posting style can be a bit difficult to read .. i will pay more attention to this
so reformated for you VP
You really should get a job with Alistair Campbell or the like!
Your attempt to accept that, yes, while it references Miah in the OP, ( and even suggests a potential link between him and the attack) and while we all know that he IS an Respect Cllr., but that becase it does not specifically say he is, a respect Cllr, in the OP, then you are saying it is not part of the OP and we should not ever mention Respect anywhere in the thread! This is brilliant dislogic and worthy of the 2 johns (sarcasm) .. actually it is simply feeble mate
You're not very good at arguing, are you?
I haven't said you shouldn't mention Respect, I've said that your doing so is despicable, I'm also saying that given that the OP only alludes to Miah in his role as supposedly mentoring the borough's Asian youth, then your reference to Respect is disingenuous, attention-seeking and an attempt to introduce party politics into an argument where they don't belong.
It's "understandable behaviour" in the context of your repeated hijacking of the thread in order to make partisan political capital from it. If you can't understand that, then I pity you.
Read the line of mine you quoted again, here, I'll even C & P it for you:
"very strongly worded and insult-laden understandable behaviour".
Care to show me where I "support" it, rather than say I find it understandable?
You can't, can you?
"Mainly" my arse.
Read any thread outside of the very narrow trot or trot-bashing ones, and the consensus is overwhelmingly centrist-liberal, "left" as in "new Labour", not "left" as in actually engaged with socialism in any worthwhile way.
As for the @s on Urban, they're (unfortunately, IMHO) a minority, and one that gets it in the neck from all sides. To claim that this forum is "mainly left and @" is about as far from reality as Snow White and the 7 Dwarves are.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
And in that line is encompassed all that really needs to be understood about this issue: Respect haven't made political capital out of this incident, so both the OP's tangential reference to one of their councillors, and subsequent posters' more bald-faced references to Respect are, to put it bluntly, attempts to use the incident to further their own political agendas, the same crime they accuse Respect of.
of ffs VP
that is whole WHOLE point my friend ( .. jesus you really did miss it didn't you???? ) that yes "Respect haven't made political capital out of this incident" BUT BUT BUT do make political capital out of other race attacks .. i was a really small point i made that anyone in the area totally understands and most would agree with! clearly went right over your head i am totally upfront in saying i said it .. it needs to be said .. we should be outraged by and protest ALL race attacks NOT ones that suit a particular policy as do the BNP and in TH, Respect
are we really not allowed to criticise political hypocrisy on U75?
audiotech
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of ffs VP
Is an example in the offing do you think?
audiotech
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No.
Go on then post me an example from Socialist Worker that "Respect... do make political capital out of other race attacks .."?
No.
Go on then post me an example from Socialist Worker that "Respect... do make political capital out of other race attacks .."?
MC are you honestly suggesting that Respect SWP have not used the bengali/pakistani muslim constituency for political fodder? have not used the war/s and attacks on muslims??
p.s. the stuff is there in SW and Respect leaflets and GG speeches .. you know it
GarfieldLeChat
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sure shoot for the moon why hijack this particular thread to do it however?
you are being obstinate just apologise and leave it...
really you are in the wrong start a new thread about the poltical remmififactions if oyu must but for god sake man ssshhhh now
hijack?? LOL one off hand comment is a hijacking! LOL .. jesus christ you have no idea of context have you?? but its all been said so whatever ..
audiotech
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That 'Respect had made political capital out [of] race attacks .." in leaflets and speeches by George Galloway, as well as Socialist Worker now?
GarfieldLeChat
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or rather you are utterly delulled...
That 'Respect had made political capital out [of] race attacks .." in leaflets and speeches by George Galloway, as well as Socialist Worker now?
MC are you honestly suggesting that Respect SWP have not used the bengali/pakistani muslim constituency for political fodder? have not used the war/s and attacks on muslims??
p.s. the stuff is there in SW and Respect leaflets and GG speeches .. you know it
audiotech
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I'm still waiting for you to post me an example from Socialist Worker/leaflets, text of speeches from George Galloway etc that "Respect...make political capital out of other race attacks .."?
When you're ready?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Believe that if it makes you feel better.of ffs VP
What's the thread title?
Given the thread title, what is the thread's primary subject?
Fuck-all to do with Respect, any of it.
That's big of you.
Of cours you are.
However, kidnapping a thread to push your agenda is pretty low.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The SWP/RESPECT and plenty of other groups have always played up attacks by whites on Blacks and Asians as a very serious problem.
I think anybody who has had any connection with the far left should be honest enough to admit that.
Look at how ARA and the ANL fought to use Steven Lawrences death for their own political ends. But there are so many other examples as well.
How many times do you think a RESPECT spokesperson or leaflet has mentioned Islamaphobia? And how many times do you think they have mentioned Anti Semitism?
GarfieldLeChat
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good good so it's all realitively easy to prove then so some sources...
There must be thousands of them. Bit like proof that the earth is round or something like that....Trust me you can find them if you really are not to sure about it.
GarfieldLeChat
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i'm not making the claims though...
Sorry Garf..I am not going to act as your unpaid research assistant...tempting though the offer is......If you doubt it look into it. When you have maybe you can apologise to durruti?
GarfieldLeChat
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you make the following claims.
so then you need to back these up with actuall refferneces now you have claimed there must be thousands.
off you go post or retract.
that's the way debate works.
you made the assertation you need to vaildate it now.
as for apologising to duritti you clearly are off your rocker for what exactly poitning out his tired dull politics is little more than partisan oppertunism with no direct link to the matter being disucssed.
no. in fact tbh i think i was very restrained...
Garf...I have no interest whatsoever in what you believe...If you think there is no evidence of what me or durruti says..do you really think i care?
Your posts show you to be opinionated and ignorant and there are thousands of people like you,trying to show off in real life or on the net..Not really worth worrying about...
Your posts show you to be opinionated and ignorant and there are thousands of people like you,trying to show off in real life or on the net..Not really worth worrying about...
audiotech
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I wouldn't know.
Nevertheless, I assume Islamophobia would be the topic mentioned most, but are you suggesting that's racist, or it is it because Islamophobia is more prevalent?
I would agree that anti-semitism is becoming a serious problem, but to point out that the first time I really met any Jewish people was through my activities with the Socialist Worker' party and I thank them for that.
As for the "played up attacks by whites on Blacks and Asians"? In the 60's and 70's racist attacks were almost wholly carried out by young white males on blacks and Asians, so it would be obvious that it was serious problem and the left would report it so.
Today is a more complex picture. We see reported attacks on Eastern Europeans for example. I've read about a particular racist incident involving a Spanish woman who was attacked by an old age pensioner. He drove his mobility scooter into her, whilst at the same time, shouting "bloody foreigners". This was deemed by the courts to have been racist and the silly old bugger was dealt with.
Steven Lawrence's death and the brutality of those who carried out this racist murder affected greatly, both black and white members of the community. Steven's murder shocked people into understanding that there were still around young men who thought and did such things to people based only on their skin colour. It also exposed the institutions, particularly the police, of treating black people with the same contempt as those young white men did.
The murder was reported in all of the press nationwide. Now compare that with the circulation of say Militant, Socialist Worker, Red Mole et al. What, if any, 'political capital' could be made do you think by any far-left group by reporting the Lawrence murder?
GarfieldLeChat
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translation:
I am propper hard core left you aren't so you aren't worth bothering with...
really you have no intrest but seem to think you can make grandious and non fact absed statements and should be taken as read because you have made them purrlease you aren't immune to the rigours of debate anymore than anyone else is.
back up your claim or retract it or make yourself look like a lying manipulative arse who rekons themselves and then turns tail when they are called out to account for their words.
no more wriggling get on with it.
your choice...
GarfieldLeChat
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
And that has precisely what to do with a thread entitled "Jews stoned in East End (again)"?
That's right, nowt, nil, zero, nada, zip, fuck-all.
So why are you and other grisly morons using it as a platform for your childish rants against the swappies?
You're as big cunts as each other, the trots and you soi-disant "socialists".
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