ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Like that'll happen. Balders is all mouth, no testicles.
Jews stoned in East End (again)
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Like that'll happen. Balders is all mouth, no testicles.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
can i cofidently claim the following yet?
pwned
pwned
you really have no knowledge of this area and its politics do you, yet you seek to lecture those who do?? god you are patronising mate
do you not understand context? this is a ward with a SWP councillor ( one of VERY few in the whole country) in a boro where that party has USED race attacks and the war for oil to create support ( as you are aware this has recently collapsed as all these dishonest things do ) .. in that context a littel comment that they would have reacted differrently is entirely relevent ..
do you accept that the SWP use some race attacks more than others?
actually your post is bizarre .. i am being criticised for criticising the SWP and that makes me a big a 'cunt' as them cos i am criticising them when actually you think they are cunts too .. thats odd VP .. so you agree with me but just think i shouldn't have made my comment on this thread?
p.s. and what is it with you boys and all your 'cunts'?? LOL no wonder there are so few women posting on here LOL you can't have a slight disagreement with out all reaching for the c word ..
p.s. i have no idea what soi disant means
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
ah good you're back about those links again?
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
*THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE!*
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
fixed it for you...
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
When all else fails you try to claim the moral high ground.
The word "cunt" should be reclaimed by women and if you know anything about the etymology of words, you'd understand that the word "vagina" actually means "scabbard" (that's a sword sheath btw). "Cunt" is what it is, there is no hidden male power behind the word.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
sure for gwads sake it should be clear by now if nino and i are argueeing the same point then you are just wrong nino and i don't agree on much...
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I was born down the road, I've been visiting friends in TH and the surrounding area for 30 years, so I've a reasonable knowledge, "mate".
What was that you were saying about "patronising"?
I understand context perfectly, and the fact is that in the context of the thread title, all your bibbling on has fuck-all context.
Yes, and the fact that they've done so has nothing to do with the possibly anti-Semitic attack talked about in the OP.
Now you're fucking getting there, and it's only taken, what, a hundred posts for you to get the fucking message.
Yeah, of course, that's the reason, isn't it?
"Self-styled".
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
oh for god sake .. so you DO accept that the swp have used race/relegion BUT still do NOT think it is acceptable for me to make an off the cuff comment that they would have reacted differrently if it had been a differrent sort of race attack???
in a ward the SW have a councillor??? in a borough they are based???? and in a consituency in which they have the MP????? shrugs shoulders and shakes head in wonder .. that is hijacking?? that was worthy of a thousend cunts??? and dozens of abusive posts?? come on!!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
You didn't make an "off-the-cuff" comment, you've bald-facedly pursued this SWP/Respect issue across this thread. No amount of disingenuous havering by you changes that fact, a fact that anyone who cares to read the thread will find.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
smell like revisionism to me...
vp there was an off the cuff remark for which i was challenged .. i replied in justification and said as you do that the swp use race .. and should not .. simple .. i did NO pursuing just justifying myslef against insistent abuse and lies .. would you not do the same?
but for now mate it seems we agree ... that the swp and respect have used the bengalis .. and that that is scandalous
audiotech
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What is 'scandalous' is your constant wriggling and your failure completely to answer where and when did:
cuntface said:
Well?
seriously
you do not think they have done??? astonishing!! even half the swp and most of respect renewal think this let alone the ordinary TH'er .. clearly when i read SW or respect elcetion leaflets or listenned to GG, i (and about everyone but you ) heard/read something entirely differrent than you simple question then what was galloway doing when he said blair was waging war on muslims? or when SW talks of "the war on Muslims" http://www.socialistworker.org/2006-2/602/602_03_Pope.shtml or "The U.S.’s .... culture war against Islam " http://www.socialistworker.org/2006-2/598/598_07_StokingHate.shtml .. absolute rubbish all off it ( and teh average SWPer would agree with me .. they are as anti relegion as you and me )
p.s what do you say to this?
http://www.workersliberty.org/node/4222
"..[what] does that campaign tell us about the idea that George Galloway is now the champion of the left in Parliament?
Respect supporters still write letters to the local paper denying they are a “Muslim campaign” or Bengali party. After all, they say, Respect canvassed and got white working-class votes. But if that determines the politics of their campaign, then the Tories, who canvass council estates and get working-class votes, would not be the party they are.
The argument is half-hearted, because on Respect’s own admission they chose the area because of the Muslim vote, and their programme and activity was clearly trimmed accordingly. Hence Galloway’s early claim to be a “fighter for Muslims”; his trip to Bangladesh and courting the Bengali business vote; and his promise to stand down at the next election in favour of a Bengali candidate.
It also doesn’t square with Respect’s other claim, comparing their activity to the anti-fascist struggles in the 1930s East End. Then socialists and others rallied to the defence of the Jewish immigrant community under attack from the fascists; now apparently Respect is doing the same for the Muslim/Bengali immigrant community, under attack from “Islamophobia” etc.
But mobilising for the physical defence of the Bengali community, an obligation for all socialists, is not the same as running a communal election campaign to get George Galloway re-elected to Parliament. It is different, and SWP Respect footsoldiers could learn some useful lessons from the best of the 1930s anti-fascists. The latter understood the distinction between mobilising alongside Jewish organisations and individuals for physical defence against the fascists, and throwing their political lot in with the leaders of the synagogues and with communal prejudices.
Against the charge of communal politics, Respect’s response has been to counter-charge Oona King’s election campaign. They have also denied evidence of anti-semitism. To date they have got off lightly with this approach.
Even if everything they said about New Labour’s election campaign was true – and certainly by the end Oona King was desperately trying to mobilise the white working class vote – that is clearly not an argument, let alone justification, for the campaign Galloway/Respect ran from the beginning.
There were a number of allegations from the King campaign about anti-semitism, including Respect canvassers urging Bengalis not to vote for King because she was Jewish. Oona King cites a case of young people shouting “Jewish bitch, get out of here.” Galloway/Respect claim fabrication, but there was undoubtedly one well-established and reported case during the campaign, the commemoration of the largely Jewish victims of the last German V2 raid on World War 2. Some Bengali youths threw objects and shouted anti-semitic abuse at those commemorating the dead. Respect’s response to this event was a shameful silence."
audiotech
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audiotech
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You have failed completely durrutti02 to provide a source for your assertion that 'SWP/Respect...make political capital out of other race attacks...' and have been seen as a complete and utter cretin in the process. Your latest attempt at smear, for duplicitous purposes, has met a miserable failure yet again.
Well done!
Spion
I hear ya
and sorry just for clarity tell me .. do you totally disagree with the accusation that durruti02 used jews for political gain?
audiotech
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seriously
simple question then what was galloway doing when he said blair was waging war on muslims? or when SW talks of "the war on Muslims" http://www.socialistworker.org/2006-2/602/602_03_Pope.shtml or "The U.S.’s .... culture war against Islam " http://www.socialistworker.org/2006-2/598/598_07_StokingHate.shtml .. absolute rubbish all off it ( and teh average SWPer would agree with me .. they are as anti relegion as you and me )
p.s what do you say to this?
http://www.workersliberty.org/node/4222
"..[what] does that campaign tell us about the idea that George Galloway is now the champion of the left in Parliament?
Respect supporters still write letters to the local paper denying they are a “Muslim campaign” or Bengali party. After all, they say, Respect canvassed and got white working-class votes. But if that determines the politics of their campaign, then the Tories, who canvass council estates and get working-class votes, would not be the party they are.
The argument is half-hearted, because on Respect’s own admission they chose the area because of the Muslim vote, and their programme and activity was clearly trimmed accordingly. Hence Galloway’s early claim to be a “fighter for Muslims”; his trip to Bangladesh and courting the Bengali business vote; and his promise to stand down at the next election in favour of a Bengali candidate.
It also doesn’t square with Respect’s other claim, comparing their activity to the anti-fascist struggles in the 1930s East End. Then socialists and others rallied to the defence of the Jewish immigrant community under attack from the fascists; now apparently Respect is doing the same for the Muslim/Bengali immigrant community, under attack from “Islamophobia” etc.
But mobilising for the physical defence of the Bengali community, an obligation for all socialists, is not the same as running a communal election campaign to get George Galloway re-elected to Parliament. It is different, and SWP Respect footsoldiers could learn some useful lessons from the best of the 1930s anti-fascists. The latter understood the distinction between mobilising alongside Jewish organisations and individuals for physical defence against the fascists, and throwing their political lot in with the leaders of the synagogues and with communal prejudices.
Against the charge of communal politics, Respect’s response has been to counter-charge Oona King’s election campaign. They have also denied evidence of anti-semitism. To date they have got off lightly with this approach.
Even if everything they said about New Labour’s election campaign was true – and certainly by the end Oona King was desperately trying to mobilise the white working class vote – that is clearly not an argument, let alone justification, for the campaign Galloway/Respect ran from the beginning.
There were a number of allegations from the King campaign about anti-semitism, including Respect canvassers urging Bengalis not to vote for King because she was Jewish. Oona King cites a case of young people shouting “Jewish bitch, get out of here.” Galloway/Respect claim fabrication, but there was undoubtedly one well-established and reported case during the campaign, the commemoration of the largely Jewish victims of the last German V2 raid on World War 2. Some Bengali youths threw objects and shouted anti-semitic abuse at those commemorating the dead. Respect’s response to this event was a shameful silence."
It's from Workers Liberty!
They hate the SWP more than you do and that's saying something! Not a shred of evidence was provided for that claim by the Oona King camp btw.
audiotech
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i used an attack on jews to highlight a group racialising politics .. i suspect those jews would not mind .. yes?You have failed completely durrutti02 to provide a source for your assertion that 'SWP/Respect...make political capital out of other race attacks...' and have been seen as a complete and utter cretin in the process. Your latest attempt at smear, for duplicitous purposes, has met a miserable failure yet again.
Well done!
MC5 .. there is NO article that says " we the SWP do hereby use the benagli muslims for political gain" .. that i would have thought would be obvious!
what there has been has, though, has been a concerted attempt by the SWP to court the bengali community by highlighting attacks, racial cultural and military, whether they are racial or anti muslim or not for dishonest political gain .. if you can not see this i can not help you see this .. and this dishonest startegy as you well know has recently collapsed ..
“They use the word ‘socialism’ to camouflage promoting themselves. John Rees has brought disgrace to the lofty goal of socialism. I believe in socialism and have a great love for it. But true socialism, not the socialism that promotes individuals or a group of individuals, using the Bengali community.”
http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/614/respect.htm
"We believe that the constant adaptation to what are referred to as ‘community leaders’ in Tower Hamlets is lowering the level of politics and making us vulnerable to the attacks and pressures brought on us by New Labour. It is alienating us not only from the white working class but also from the more radical sections of the Bengali community, both secular and Muslim, who feel that Respect is becoming the party of a narrow and conservative trend in the area."
http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=746
this is also interesting MC Sarah Glynn "Playing the Ethnic Card"
"In Tower Hamlets, populism now means appealing to Muslims. In the preceding European elections, Respect had put a Muslim in first or second place on every slate across the country, and leaflets from Galloway’s European election campaign described Respect as ‘the Party for Muslims’ 68 . By promising to stand down at the next election to make room for a Bengali, Galloway specifically courted the ethnic vote, claiming support for him gave the best chance of a Bengali MP in the future. But the Iraq war was Respect’s main campaigning issue, and it was portrayed as an antiIslamic war. As Galloway told a packed public hustings, ‘If you make war against Muslims abroad, you are going to end up making war against Muslims at home.’ 69 ...
Although Respect have campaigned on key social issues such as housing stock transfer, many white voters have not been persuaded that they are not an ethnically based party. It is no coincidence that, despite a hugely unpopular Labour council, and chaos among the local Liberal Democrats, the Respect councillors elected in May 2006 were all Bengalis, and there was a strong correlation between the percentage of
votes cast for Respect in each ward, and the percentage of Bengalis
Repeated attempts to portray Respect as part of the great East End socialist tradition of Kier Hardy, the Bryant and May matchgirls and Communist MP Phil Piratin still ring hollow. The strength of the Communist movement in the East End of the thirties, and its ability to stem the growth of Fascism, was due to a strict emphasis on class politics that cut across ethnic and religious difference"
68 The leaflet quoted was made to be distributed outside mosques, but one cannot imagine a broadly Left party making similar blanket claims to other religious groups.
69 Speaking at TELCO (the East London Community Organisation) hustings 20 Apr 2005. By portraying the war as a crusade, Galloway ignored most serious left analysis, which saw it as part of wider economic and political strategies."
[bold and underlines are D02's]
http://www.geos.ed.ac.uk/homes/sglynn/Ghettoisation.pdf
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
that's a yes isn't it
so why are you politicising an attack are you the spoke person for the gorup attacked?
if not what right do you have to do so on their behalf.
precisley...
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