Jews stoned in East End (again)

[becky p]

tell ou waht i'll ask one of their senior leaders about it when i see them on saturday shall i see if they have any problem with me speaking on their behalf what do you reckon, they might say...

And as i have stated repeatdly i'm not defending resepect you daft moron learn to fucking read. the entire thread. i am saying that using an attack on jews to make poltical captial for your own agenda is abhorant. which is what duritti and balders and now you seem to be doing...

what is it that you do that's so fucking radical becky other than use jews who've been attacked with rocks to make your potlical points...

fucking surplus you bladers duritti and any other cunt that defends this action...

Have you just spent the last 6 months at nino's charm school?
You seem to be now suggesting I have used an attack on Jews for my own political ends!

 

[audiotech]

Yes, you are probably correct. But i do think there are problems with that. Given that the MP for Bethnal Green is not just there as a representative for people from a Bengali background.
A constituency MP is supposed to represent all the people in the constituency not just be a representative of one section of that community.
I agree it would be good to have more women and BME mps.But that does not mean that it would be good to have an incompetent Black woman as your MP.

You're right on representation becky p and I understand the possible political ramifications of such a declaration, as I'm sure Galloway did.

 

[audiotech]

This thread is generating an awful lot of reported posts and to be quite frank it's taking the piss a bit.

Since I have my mod hat on now I won't comment on the content, but if people really want to have a long, pointless argument where nobody is going to change their position, far be it from me to stop them, and I've not had any comments by others who would like to discuss the original topic and are being put off (though if there are any by all means send them in). Mods are not here to be referees though, or approve arguments (except in extreme cases which this doesn't fall under) and I doubt any other mods here would be minded to censure "robust debate" given that people are pushing it anyway, though perhaps it could be toned down a little.

...and saved as one for the archives perhaps FM?

 

[durruti02]

Troll!

 

[invisibleplanet]

and sorry just for clarity tell me .. do you totally disagree with the accusation that durruti02 used jews for political gain?

I can only agree with the accusation that durruti02 is using this entire thread to further his own political causes, and seems to have little drive to find solutions that are of social benefit to all.

Let's hope that the truly great socially-minded activists are not completely absent, or indeed, forgotten. Let's hope.

Majer Bogdanski was so may things: a great East End character, one of the last of the East End's working class Jews, a living witness of the horrors of the twentieth century, a wonderful musician, a keeper of the flame of Yiddish culture and language as a living culture and language, and a keeper of the flame of ethical, democratic socialism. The Yiddishist Heather Valencia has a nice obituary in The Guardian today, concluding with these lovely words: "Majer Bogdanski, tailor, musician and folklorist, born July 14 1912; died September 4 2005."

Majer was involved in the pre-war Bundist movement in Poland, He fought in the war against fascism, in the Polish army and then in the British army in Italy. He spent nearly two years in Soviet labour camps, which honed the anti-Stalinism that he had already breathed in from the Bund. he came to London after the war, which had been the headquarters of some of the Bundists associated with the Polish government in exile, such as the martyred Shmuel Zygielbojm.

Following the Bundist principle of doykayt - hereness, a commitment to the here and now - he remained in the East End long after most Jews had departed, fighting against racism and for the Labour Party alongside Bengali comrades. And he was also a fixture in the Jewish scholarly scene, puncturing the pretensions of academics with his autodidact's wisdom - although often nodding off during more boring lectures in his later years. He was a guiding spirit in Fraynt fun Yidish, Friends of Yiddish, which continues to meet on shabes in Toynbee Hall - inheriting the mantle of the great poet Avrom Stencl and associating with the likes of Kafka's last love Dora Diamant.

He can be heard on some of the records of Oi-Va-Voi and Budowitz (click links for mp3s). He can be seen in the extraordinary film about photographer Sharon Chazan, Not Enough Distance. He had a walk-on part in some of the work of Rachel Lichtenstein and Iain Sinclair. He was a regular contributor to Jewish Socialist.

 

[durruti02]

I can only agree with the accusation that durruti02 is using this entire thread to further his own political causes, and seems to have little drive to find solutions that are of social benefit to all.

then IP, sorry, but you are as deeply nieve about my political activity as i was of you community work.

I simply made a remark about how the swp have used SOME race attacks but NOT this one .. if people had any common sense they would have simply noted this, maybe simply disagreed or not, and moved on, and the thread and the attack would sadly be long forgotten .. instead there was an entirely irrational and disgustingky abusive attack on me from a mostly mistaken POV. ( do you support attacks on posters like i had on this thread?)

but yes i have noted ( shock horror! on a thread about a possible race attack) my disgust of how left ( and right ) groups USE race and minorities .. why am i wrong to do this?

When there is discussion of race attacks in an area where race has been used OPPORTUNISTICALLY it is really not suprising that I or anyone else is going to comment on that. What interested me is WHY you are so unhappy? do you think the jews who were attacked would have disagreed with my POV?? that is very unlikely. so who has been offended? why is it wrong to link this issue?

p.s. you continue to mystify me .. tell me please are you really against my hatred of how the bengalis and race have been used by the left?

 

[durruti02]

Ip?