Jews stoned in East End (again)

[GarfieldLeChat]

I should have been more clear in what I said as regards to 'non muslims' most of the anti muslim sentiment that I've seen stirred up by the swaps abandonment of the working classes in general in favour of a communalist approach to get the vote out haven't been amongst Jews but amongst the general population.

again though you are talking about a marginal group of people in reality, they have to have heard of and understand what the SWP are in the first place outside of their very small orbit they have zero influence whatso ever go to canvey island or southend or romford and ask people on the streets who are the SWP they look at you and ask if it's a rnb hiphop band, my parents generation haven't a scooby either.

so what you have is inward looking groups which are falling inward on each other to compeate to be more radical than the others. without affecting their profit model.

Moreover given that the stated aim of islam is to ensure the entire world beocmes muslim and that the tennets of it are that no one can be resurrected until the whole world is muslim, therefore it's a duty to convert or make converts or remove those who do not convert and the tennets of the SWP to push papers force conversions and black ball those who disagree with the SWP's actions in the hope that one day this will lead to a socailist world where every one is a commie; I'd say it patently obvious why the two are working together. essentially their aims are the same world domination via indoctrination and total acceptence of their idologies. The fact that these are differeing idologies one soem minor points is irrlevelent as they agree on too many points for it to matter...

I concur with some of your very good points about NGO's sometimes being more about the money than the end result. Seen it in UK charities as well.

See all charites. forever both forwards and backwards in time...

 

[invisibleplanet]

A good post.

Pity it'll probably be wasted on people who rant about "the left" and "@" as though they're homogeneous groupings rather than being catch-all names for wildly heterogeneous groupings.

You're so correct, it hurts

 

[nino_savatte]

Quit the snidey 'mel' comments. I an others know what you mean. You are trying to smear me with associations to thoughtless Mad Mel one track minded hypernationalistzionism coupled with frothing at the mouth dailymailism. It won't work.

Like I said look back at the recent threads and it concurs with what I said in my earlier post. I'm old labour. Its sad that NL have become so authoritiarian that I'm having to consider vote Tory to get rid of NL slime in a major city. Not a good state of affairs at all is it.

I'm not "trying" to do anything. You've sort of set yourself up for this, mate. But you are a Zionist, are you not? And your Zionism conforms with the rest of the mainstream - non?

If you're so "Old Labour", why do you start threads with titles like "Britain is a a toilet", where you moan but put forward nothing? If you're so "Old Labour", then why do you advocate prison camps for all sorts of offenders?

 

[invisibleplanet]

I'm not "trying" to do anything. You've sort of set yourself up for this, mate. But you are a Zionist, are you not? And your Zionism conforms with the rest of the mainstream - non?

No - his type of zionism is more in line with Elon and Shoher - not the mainstream at all. I doubt he's in it for good motives - he's a BDSMer with victim complex, probably associates himself with the Jewish plight for all the wrong reasons. I'd give him a good thrashing, but this would go against my non-violent principles and he'd probably enjoy it.

 

[nino_savatte]

No - his type of zionism is more in line with Elon and Shoher - not the mainstream at all. I doubt he's in it for good motives - he's a BDSMer with victim complex, probably associates himself with the Jewish plight for all the wrong reasons. I'd give him a good thrashing, but this would go against my non-violent principles and he'd probably enjoy it.

Ah, okay.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

No - his type of zionism is more in line with Elon and Shoher - not the mainstream at all. I doubt he's in it for good motives - he's a BDSMer with victim complex, probably associates himself with the Jewish plight for all the wrong reasons. I'd give him a good thrashing, but this would go against my non-violent principles and he'd probably enjoy it.

Oh how utterly wrong can someone be.

If I want a good thrashing I can quite easily get one from a lover. Was never very into pointlessly banging my head on a wall which is what trying to have an alternative view is like on here.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Oh how utterly wrong can someone be.

If I want a good thrashing I can quite easily get one from a lover. Was never very into pointlessly banging my head on a wall which is what trying to have an alternative view is like on here.

you could try engauging with other points of view rather than these one then...

Independant meaning legitimate care to engauge?

 

[durruti02]

Your knowledge is affected by your tunnel-vision re. 'the left', and your cynicism is part of the problem, durruti02

Then stop whining and offer practical, down-to-earth, non-partisan support to all the groups involved ELSE
IF you can't stomach working with people of all political, social, religious and racial hues, then what do you have to offer?

(Answer: In real terms, if you only have partisan criticisms, then you have Zilch to offer and are incapable of seeing the bigger picture, and are contributing to your community's increasing divide).

IP can i remind you that this is an internet political debating forum .. OK? and i am as a shop steward and activist where i live am doing exactly what you suggest .. however i like many others use this site to argue about issues politically .. some people seem to confuse these 2 things ..


btw what does this mean?? "IF you can't stomach working with people of all political, social, religious and racial hues" .. not another smear surely! LOL

 

[durruti02]

again though you are talking about a marginal group of people in reality, they have to have heard of and understand what the SWP are in the first place outside of their very small orbit they have zero influence whatso ever go to canvey island or southend or romford and ask people on the streets who are the SWP they look at you and ask if it's a rnb hiphop band, my parents generation haven't a scooby either.

so what you have is inward looking groups which are falling inward on each other to compeate to be more radical than the others. without affecting their profit model.

Moreover given that the stated aim of islam is to ensure the entire world beocmes muslim and that the tennets of it are that no one can be resurrected until the whole world is muslim, therefore it's a duty to convert or make converts or remove those who do not convert and the tennets of the SWP to push papers force conversions and black ball those who disagree with the SWP's actions in the hope that one day this will lead to a socailist world where every one is a commie; I'd say it patently obvious why the two are working together. essentially their aims are the same world domination via indoctrination and total acceptence of their idologies. The fact that these are differeing idologies one soem minor points is irrlevelent as they agree on too many points for it to matter...

See all charites. forever both forwards and backwards in time...

missing the point as usual .. we are NOT talking about canvey are we????? we are talking about a ward in whitechapel with an swp councilor, in the swp pirority area of the last few years, in the borough they have been based for 2 decades and where they HAVE done damage

and glad to see we agree on the SWP ( LOL the irony ) but think tbh you sound like an islamophobe .. most muslims do NOT subscribe to what you say they do, as most christians and jews do not subscribe to similar tenets

 

[durruti02]

Obviously you're still having difficulty reading English.
I know Miah is a Respect councillor, you know Miah is a respect councillor.
But guess what, you stone-headed twit?

THE OP DOESN'T MENTION RESPECT. IT DOESN'T SAY "ABJOL MIAH, THE RESPECT COUNCILLOR".
In other words, as I say in the post you answer, the OP only tangentially

has anything to do with Respect, mainly via JHE's insinuations.

So basically what we have is the OP, a known Islamophobe, making insinuations, and then a ragbag of inarticulate sheep following his insinuations and treating them as gospel.

Lovely.

I know the OP isn't mine, witling.

AS I said at the top of this post, Miah isn't mentioned in his capacity as a Respect councillor, a fact that you appear to be "ignorent" [sic] of. The fact that you, I and Prince Philip may know that Miah is a Respect councillor is beside the point.

In which case tell me why it's "laughable", rather than gobbing off.

It's amazing how you can construct a monument of irrelevant waffle and self-serving political posturing from my rather anodyne and obvious statement that:
"I suspect that, like politicians of all stripes, they would have weighed up how best to take advantage. The point being that every political party in the borough would have done so (as indeed they did with the ACTUAL attack)."
and then make the hilarious statement that "urban is a debating forum mainly of the far left and @s". Have you read the board recently? Far left my arse, you muppet. Get a grip. It's about as far left as a pensioner's tea-dance.


Whatever you say, Igor.[/QUOTE]

you really should get a job with alistair campbell or the like .. your attempt to accept that yes we all know that Miah IS an Respect cllr but cos it does not specifically say he is then it is not part of the OP and we should not ever mention Respect anywhere in the thread is brilliant and worthy of the 2 johns .. actually it is simply feeble mate

and why is your phrase "very strongly worded and insult-laden understandable behaviour" laughable .. er simply as the man was ranting cunt this and cunt that .. as ed put it "...fucking thread ....whining little bitch...dispicable cunt... cunt....cunt...scum.... cunts...fucking useless...cunt" and i thought you were in favour of sensible grown up debate where sometimes peole disagree but do NOT sink into bullying abuse?? .. my favourite bit was where he was calling me a kid in one post and then when i pointed out i was in my mid 4ts he changed to calling me "a middle aged ponce" .. genius!

p.s and where do you think this forum is not mainly left/@ just look at the threads mate .. i am not saying ALL the posters are .. just mainly

 

[durruti02]

double post

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

missing the point as usual .. we are NOT talking about canvey are we????? we are talking about a ward in whitechapel with an swp councilor, in the swp pirority area of the last few years, in the borough they have been based for 2 decades and where they HAVE done damage

and glad to see we agree on the SWP ( LOL the irony ) but think tbh you sound like an islamophobe .. most muslims do NOT subscribe to what you say they do, as most christians and jews do not subscribe to similar tenets

ooo durritti you are a card following me round the boards moaning becuase your attempting to coopt all things vaugely discussing swp or similar and then turning it to your own sad small minded political agenda.

shame that you used the attack on a group of tourists as an attack on other peoples poltical belifes eh.

so what is it you know about palestine which would bring you to this thread then. what great insight along with our friend poster numbers are you going to throw in.

cos what palestine really needs on top of every thing else is one more teenage radical trying to make their mark in the world. really it does i'm sure there's countless groups in both telaviv and in rahmallah who are aching to involve you desperately prayign in fact that you balders and numbers will pitch up and tell them how they have been letting down the working classes and help them pull it out of their wayward mire back on track...

so we see a pattern in your posting style don't we, on the last thread you gazzuped the topic to turn it into a bash swp/resepct thread and refused to listen to any form of reason when it was pointed out that there wasn't the place and it made you look utterly insensative, crass, underhand. People gave you examples of why this behaviour was so but you refuted and deniy reoprted and lied about others intent and wriggled and wriggled not once accpeting that your deliberate polticising of the events towards your own agenda was in fact abhorant.

however in the scale of things you hijacking a thread where no one died in order to do that was just youthful over exuberence.

but now you are trying the same trick on this thread about palestine have you utterly lost your tiny mind. You think that what the whole issue needs is some jumped up student activist with no sense of scale or depth perception to wade in and try and stamp their own brand of politics on the matter.

you are one sick little puppy.

might i suggest going out more dealign with real people occasiionally who haven't bought into this delusion that you have anything to say, or you unworkable protestant version of left wing thinking ( a little from colum a a little from colum b) present anything new.

how low are you going to go.

you are already a comic book charchter...

 

[ViolentPanda]

has anything to do with Respect, mainly via JHE's insinuations.

So basically what we have is the OP, a known Islamophobe, making insinuations, and then a ragbag of inarticulate sheep following his insinuations and treating them as gospel.

Lovely.

I know the OP isn't mine, witling.

AS I said at the top of this post, Miah isn't mentioned in his capacity as a Respect councillor, a fact that you appear to be "ignorent" [sic] of. The fact that you, I and Prince Philip may know that Miah is a Respect councillor is beside the point.

In which case tell me why it's "laughable", rather than gobbing off.

It's amazing how you can construct a monument of irrelevant waffle and self-serving political posturing from my rather anodyne and obvious statement that:
"I suspect that, like politicians of all stripes, they would have weighed up how best to take advantage. The point being that every political party in the borough would have done so (as indeed they did with the ACTUAL attack)."
and then make the hilarious statement that "urban is a debating forum mainly of the far left and @s". Have you read the board recently? Far left my arse, you muppet. Get a grip. It's about as far left as a pensioner's tea-dance.


Whatever you say, Igor.

you really should get a job with alistair campbell or the like .. your attempt to accept that yes we all know that Miah IS an Respect cllr but cos it does not specifically say he is then it is not part of the OP and we should not ever mention Respect anywhere in the thread is brilliant and worthy of the 2 johns .. actually it is simply feeble mate

and why is your phrase "very strongly worded and insult-laden understandable behaviour" laughable .. er simply as the man was ranting cunt this and cunt that .. as ed put it "...fucking thread ....whining little bitch...dispicable cunt... cunt....cunt...scum.... cunts...fucking useless...cunt" and i thought you were in favour of sensible grown up debate where sometimes peole disagree but do NOT sink into bullying abuse?? .. my favourite bit was where he was calling me a kid in one post and then when i pointed out i was in my mid 4ts he changed to calling me "a middle aged ponce" .. genius!

p.s and where do you think this forum is not mainly left/@ just look at the threads mate .. i am not saying ALL the posters are .. just mainly[/QUOTE]

What a shame you can't even format a post properly. If you think I'm going to waste time trying to decipher that pile of crap, you're mistaken.

 

[durruti02]

you really should get a job with alistair campbell or the like .. your attempt to accept that yes we all know that Miah IS an Respect cllr but cos it does not specifically say he is then it is not part of the OP and we should not ever mention Respect anywhere in the thread is brilliant and worthy of the 2 johns .. actually it is simply feeble mate

and why is your phrase "very strongly worded and insult-laden understandable behaviour" laughable .. er simply as the man was ranting cunt this and cunt that .. as ed put it "...fucking thread ....whining little bitch...dispicable cunt... cunt....cunt...scum.... cunts...fucking useless...cunt" and i thought you were in favour of sensible grown up debate where sometimes peole disagree but do NOT sink into bullying abuse?? .. my favourite bit was where he was calling me a kid in one post and then when i pointed out i was in my mid 4ts he changed to calling me "a middle aged ponce" .. genius!

p.s and where do you think this forum is not mainly left/@ just look at the threads mate .. i am not saying ALL the posters are .. just mainly

What a shame you can't even format a post properly. If you think I'm going to waste time trying to decipher that pile of crap, you're mistaken.[/QUOTE]

what a total cop out mate .. you have gone down in my eyes, defending abuse like that ..

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

what a total cop out mate .. you have gone down in my eyes, defending abuse like that ..

you are such a total clot.

when are you goign to get it you are being abused because oyu are being overly offensive if everyone bar one random poster and balders is saying to you oi mate you're wrong you know what they aren't all in it together you are fucking wrong..

grow a fucking pair and face up to it mate...

 

[durruti02]

but now you are trying the same trick on this thread about palestine have you utterly lost your tiny mind. You think that what the whole issue needs is some jumped up student activist with no sense of scale or depth perception to wade in and try and stamp their own brand of politics on the matter.
QUOTE]

you are not making sense my friend .. this is not a thread about palestine and i have made no comments about palestine

 

[durruti02]

you are such a total clot.

when are you goign to get it you are being abused because oyu are being overly offensive if everyone bar one random poster and balders is saying to you oi mate you're wrong you know what they aren't all in it together you are fucking wrong..

grow a fucking pair and face up to it mate...

how have i offended any one?

 

[nino_savatte]

What a shame you can't even format a post properly. If you think I'm going to waste time trying to decipher that pile of crap, you're mistaken.

what a total cop out mate .. you have gone down in my eyes, defending abuse like that ..

Are you feeling well? How the fuck did you manage to extrapolate that meaning from VP's posts? You really are touched [in the head], aren't you?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

how have i offended any one?

you polictiscing of an incident for personal gain to promote your agenda is offensive.

it's called hijacking a cause and it's always offensive, call it universal morals but attempting to profit from tohers misfortune is near universally condemed ... unless you are in the upper leagues of world leadership that is...

 

[invisibleplanet]

you polictiscing of an incident for personal gain to promote your agenda is offensive.

it's called hijacking a cause and it's always offensive, call it universal morals but attempting to profit from others misfortune is near universally condemed ... .

Absolutely

 

[ViolentPanda]

"What a shame you can't even format a post properly. If you think I'm going to waste time trying to decipher that pile of crap, you're mistaken."

what a total cop out mate ..

Says the bloke who can't even quote a simple post properly.
Given that most other posters take the time and trouble to separate out quotes from replies, what makes you think you're special enough not to have to do so, and cause whoever tries to read the resulting mishmash a headache?

you have gone down in my eyes, defending abuse like that ..

You think I care about the esteem of someone who uses a vicious assault to garner political capital?
Because I really don't.

 

[TremulousTetra]

have only read the title, but what's wrong with that? Everybody deserves to chill out down again.

 

[ViolentPanda]

have only read the title, but what's wrong with that? Everybody deserves to chill out down again.

Seven.

 

[durruti02]

Absolutely

so a comment on a website IP is worse than what the SWP and respect have cdone in practice?

 

[TremulousTetra]

Seven.

six.

 

[TremulousTetra]

oh am i the 7th. funny in itself.

 

[durruti02]

Says the bloke who can't even quote a simple post properly.

Given that most other posters take the time and trouble to separate out quotes from replies, what makes you think you're special enough not to have to do so, and cause whoever tries to read the resulting mishmash a headache?

You think I care about the esteem of someone who uses a vicious assault to garner political capital?
Because I really don't.

you have a fiar point that my posting style can be a bit difficult to read .. i will pay more attention to this

so reformated for you VP

You really should get a job with Alistair Campbell or the like!

Your attempt to accept that, yes, while it references Miah in the OP, ( and even suggests a potential link between him and the attack) and while we all know that he IS an Respect Cllr., but that becase it does not specifically say he is, a respect Cllr, in the OP, then you are saying it is not part of the OP and we should not ever mention Respect anywhere in the thread! This is brilliant dislogic and worthy of the 2 johns (sarcasm) .. actually it is simply feeble mate

and why is your phrase

"very strongly worded and insult-laden understandable behaviour"

laughable????

er simply as the man ( garfield ) was ranting, cunt this, and cunt that .. as Ed put it in his ( behave yourself ) post to garfield,

"...fucking thread ....whining little bitch...dispicable cunt... cunt....cunt...scum.... cunts...fucking useless...cunt"

This is NOT understandable behaviour but abuse and bullying. I thought you were in favour of sensible grown up debate where sometimes people disagree but do NOT sink into bullying abuse??

My favourite bit was where garfield was calling me a kid in one post and then when i pointed out i was in my mid 4ts he changed to calling me "a middle aged ponce" .. genius! you support this behaviour?

and where do you think this forum is not mainly left/@ just look at the threads mate .. i am not saying ALL the posters are .. just mainly

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

so a comment on a website IP is worse than what the SWP and respect have cdone in practice?

when that comment is exactly tha comment when they have nothing to do with it then yes it shows the thinking of a frankly fractured mind.

intial post: Grapes have gone up 40 p in tesco
poster 1: so i'm rich i can afford it
intial poster: but this is in a poorer area
poster 2: yeah you should think about their lifestyles if we want people to be healthy
you: why haven't the SWP or respect condemed this practice.

intial post: 50 people die in house fire
poster 1: that's terrible where was it?
intial poster: tower hamlets
you: why haven't the swp or respect condemed this or offered their support.

see its not realated what so ever.

it's you being partisan and attempting to attack you personal poltical hate figure. It has zero not one iota to do with the subject at hand or has any compassion for the people involved or indeed shows any great thinking other than to push your own personal agenda.

It is an attempt to monopolise the converstion and turn it towards a pet hate of yours and use it as a spring board to attack that foe.

It's neither the time or the place or appropreate at any juncture.

despite repeatedly being told this you continue attempt to have people who disagree with you framed as supporters of your arch nemisis, banned from posting for not supporting your point of view, riddiculled, insulted, defamed, abused and generally attacked.

you then after all this toys out of the pram behaviour stamp your feet and piss all over the original thread.

you are in capable of listening to reason, you are so religiously fundamentalist in your view point that no amount of clear and obvious information that you are wide of the mark will sway you. and so crushingly repeatatively boring with you brow beating on your pet subject that you are either trolling or have some form of mental disease that so many people are saying to you stop it it's not on, and you are causually dismissing them all as being uninformed or navie.

the common denominator in all this is you.

your attitude. your actions. your words.

you need to do the graceful thing now at this point and say yes i was wrong to attempt and quite sucessfully (considering the last few pages if not longer have been taken up with people saying you are wrong) monopolising a thread about you and your pet hates. this isn't about you or your ideas. period.

apologise, and really have a good look at what you have said in the face of others.

If you truely beleive that what you are saying is correct you need to find a better way of saying it and also a much more intelligent non manipulative manner of doing so, which doesn't piss on other people or exploit situations to turn to your advantage.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

This is NOT understandable behaviour but abuse and bullying. I thought you were in favour of sensible grown up debate where sometimes people disagree but do NOT sink into bullying abuse??

I think that VP may be pointing out to you that your own actions have cause untold disgust and frustration that you will not conceed that this time with your outragious thread hijacking and the insuferable manner in which you refuse poitn blank to accept it's wrong might be understandable as he also find's it so but is more elloquent at expressing it.

you have behaved like a grade A troll on this thread. again.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

when that comment is exactly tha comment when they have nothing to do with it then yes it shows the thinking of a frankly fractured mind.

intial post: Grapes have gone up 40 p in tesco
poster 1: so i'm rich i can afford it
intial poster: but this is in a poorer area
poster 2: yeah you should think about their lifestyles if we want people to be healthy
you: why haven't the SWP or respect condemed this practice.

intial post: 50 people die in house fire
poster 1: that's terrible where was it?
intial poster: tower hamlets
you: why haven't the swp or respect condemed this or offered their support.

see its not realated what so ever.

it's you being partisan and attempting to attack you personal poltical hate figure. It has zero not one iota to do with the subject at hand or has any compassion for the people involved or indeed shows any great thinking other than to push your own personal agenda.

It is an attempt to monopolise the converstion and turn it towards a pet hate of yours and use it as a spring board to attack that foe.

It's neither the time or the place or appropreate at any juncture.

despite repeatedly being told this you continue attempt to have people who disagree with you framed as supporters of your arch nemisis, banned from posting for not supporting your point of view, riddiculled, insulted, defamed, abused and generally attacked.

you then after all this toys out of the pram behaviour stamp your feet and piss all over the original thread.

you are in capable of listening to reason, you are so religiously fundamentalist in your view point that no amount of clear and obvious information that you are wide of the mark will sway you. and so crushingly repeatatively boring with you brow beating on your pet subject that you are either trolling or have some form of mental disease that so many people are saying to you stop it it's not on, and you are causually dismissing them all as being uninformed or navie.

the common denominator in all this is you.

your attitude. your actions. your words.

you need to do the graceful thing now at this point and say yes i was wrong to attempt and quite sucessfully (considering the last few pages if not longer have been taken up with people saying you are wrong) monopolising a thread about you and your pet hates. this isn't about you or your ideas. period.

apologise, and really have a good look at what you have said in the face of others.

If you truely beleive that what you are saying is correct you need to find a better way of saying it and also a much more intelligent non manipulative manner of doing so, which doesn't piss on other people or exploit situations to turn to your advantage.

This is a top post: either that, or I'm drunk.