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Jews stoned in East End (again)

Why bother, Garf?

The same thing has been said to him at least a dozen times and he hasn't "got" (or is ignoring) what's being said, what makes you think he'll listen now?

well one can never tell if it's a fault in the listener or with the teller tbh.

When you have dyspraxia there's always the possiblity that what is patently clear in your own mind produces some bizarre reactions in others, due to inadiquate explaination on your part. However, I think what I'm saying is totally apperant to all.
 
well one can never tell if it's a fault in the listener or with the teller tbh.

When you have dyspraxia there's always the possiblity that what is patently clear in your own mind produces some bizarre reactions in others, due to inadiquate explaination on your part. However, I think what I'm saying is totally apperant to all.

What you've said is perfectly clear. It's more coherent than durutti, that's for sure. :D

It was also perfectly clear when ip said it, when I said it, when Spion said it, etc etc, but still durutti doesn't seem to have grasped it. :)
 
so the SWP play the race/relegion card on a large scale in the bengali and pakistani communities ( as i have described in great length ) and i raise this on A POLITICAL INTERNET DISCUSSION FORUM and you accuse ME of being the one who is despicable and making 'political capital'

LOL i could not make it up ..

me thinks that somewhere you got your perspective SOMEWHAT mixed up .. lol :D

i think ( mere postulation my friends ) that out of some misguided 'loyalty' to the left you are incapable of allowing others to criticise the practice of that said left and it's most ridiculous wing EVEN WHEN THAT PRACTICE IS RACIAL

so why do you let the SWPs use of the bengali and pakistani communities and their use of relegion go unchallenged???

and WHY do you attack those who do challenge it?
 
and my point is tht you are playing the race card in order to bash the swp in an incident which they have no direct involvement.

Do you not think that the SWP have a real problem with how they have tried to recruit muslims. Dont you think they have been a bit guilty of double standards at times?

Personally i thought how STWC emphasised their support for the palestinians and preety much ignore the kurdish issue was a real shocker...
 
and my point is tht you are playing the race card in order to bash the swp in an incident which they have no direct involvement.
perspective my friend perspective .. i make a comment on a politics forum .. you get frenzied .. SWP do real bullshit practice in real world .. you say nowt ?? :D


edited to say SENSE OF PROPORTION is the phrase i was looking for :D
 
so the SWP play the race/relegion card on a large scale in the bengali and pakistani communities ( as i have described in great length ) and i raise this on A POLITICAL INTERNET DISCUSSION FORUM and you accuse ME of being the one who is despicable and making 'political capital'

irrelevent in this instanct they haven't done this therefore it's a straw man...

LOL i could not make it up ..

but you are trying to... infact that's precisely what you have done made it up...

me thinks that somewhere you got your perspective SOMEWHAT mixed up .. lol :D

really a persepctive that asks why the flying spagetti monster hasn't condoned this and therefore one must deny gravity as it's one of the tennants of the spagetti cult...

as credible as what you are saying...

tbh i'm supirse i haven't just let rip yet and used all manner of explitives about your willfull ingnorance on this matter... and you are being an utter clot.

i think ( mere postulation my friends ) that out of some misguided 'loyalty' to the left you are incapable of allowing others to criticise the practice of that said left and it's most ridiculous wing EVEN WHEN THAT PRACTICE IS RACIAL

WHAT IS THAT THE LEFT YOU SAY WHO THEY THEN SOME MAGIC ORGANISATION WHICH HAS A COHERANT AND STATE OBJECTIVE AND AIM LKE THE TORIES OR THE BNP OR THE SEVEN DAY AVENTISTS?

THE LEFT NEVER HEARD OF THEM AND NEITHER HAVE YOU

for refference and has been stated many many times on these here boards i'm not left wing in the slightest i'm just not an abject bigot. except about really petty things like music being played on mobile phones. and rude people on public transport at which point i'd happly kill everyone they have ever encoutered and have a great big cull, exermination is too good for them fuckers...


so why do you let the SWPs use of the bengali and pakistani communities and their use of relegion go unchallenged???

cos it has bugger all to do with the thread and it means that dullard ineffectual people like yourself and other moaning minnies spend ages in fighting allowing the rest of us to make a better world by comprimise and conversation rather than drawing artifical lines in artifical sand and then argueing about whose spagetti monster is better.

We plan to cull you lot to at some point.

nothing disempowers humans quicker than a right on headbanger with deluisions of grandure and by god son you're one. Is rik the poet your hero?


and WHY do you attack those who do challenge it?

because you aren't being effective. it's not fucking relevant.

the crime is as read for example: that there's not enough food for the poor and your argument and solution to this is to get more people to read about kropotkin; not to cook them a fucking meal.

this is how sperated you are from reality.

you'd rather say aha there is a logical inconsistancty between your tennant of your 30th paragraph and your 15th than say crikey fellas here comes the bad men better do something like community action to work our way out of the enforced poverty which we are all placed in and stop them.

you spend your enitre time talking a good fight but actually coming up empty handed every time and are about as relevant to those working class you portray as your heroic bed fellows as fucking chardonay is.

in fact considering you can get chardonay in lidi you are less fucking relevant.

at least the working class have heard of and have experince of chardonay.

When was the last time the effiet poncy bollocks which passes for your wadicalism actually made port at planet working class and engauged them?

you are bloody student grant it's like an anti tory boy it really is...

stroll on son, with your navel gazing and your bollocks interpreation you have nothing to say and by god you don't half use a lot of wank to say it...

for the finaly time before i find a shovel and bury you 6 foot deep.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SWP. THEREFORE ASKING WHY THEY HAVE NOT COMMENTED ON IT IS ABOUT AS LOGICAL AS ASKING WHY IT HASN'T BROUGHT ABOUT THE SECOND COMING (or considering the subject matter the first coming)

as me nan would say given half a brain you'd be dangerous.
 
Do you not think that the SWP have a real problem with how they have tried to recruit muslims. Dont you think they have been a bit guilty of double standards at times?

Personally i thought how STWC emphasised their support for the palestinians and preety much ignore the kurdish issue was a real shocker...

it hink it's utterly irrlelvant to the thread anymore than it would be to say do you thik it's a real problem that the tories court right wing fashista with their anti immigrant polices...

it's nothing to do with the subject matter it might be jolly intresting to discuss but it's nothing to do with what is being discussed other than one lameiod nitwit attempting to push their anti polical party agenda on another thread at the expense of rational and coherant debate.

for the record i'd see both the SWP and duritti banned from poltics for life by chemical mental castration if possible...
 
garfield .. you appear to know nothing of east london/ tower hamlets politics and of the recent behaviour of the swp or respect in this area .. you really believe they have not played with racial attacks ( explicit or vague) and race??? and therefore you see not connection with them NOT playing with this ( potential racial) attack?? did you not know they have a councillor in this ward??? please you are out of your depth

p.s. you always threaten people do you? grow up and debate like an adult ( your post is reported )

and really most of your post is just rubbish tbh what all that nonsense about kropotkin???
 
garfield .. you appear to know nothing of east london/ tower hamlets politics and of the recent behaviour of the swp or respect in this area .. you really believe they have not played with racial attacks ( explicit or vague) and race??? and therefore you see not connection with them NOT playing with this ( potential racial) attack?? did you not know they have a councillor in this ward??? please you are out of your depth

p.s. you always threaten people do you? grow up and debate like an adult ( your post is reported )

and really most of your post is just rubbish tbh what all that nonsense about kropotkin???
i ougth to report you for being an errant arse. and for tlaking out of it...
 
for what?? LOL .. grow up and learn to debate properly .. deal with points, point by point and learn not to decend to abuse

i need no lecture from mr cloth ears turn a dubious origined op into a maytrdom opperation for the more wadlical than thou twin set and peals brigadeer such as yourself.

and abuse.

i haven't abused you yet son you'll know when you've been abused it's when other people go garf leave you're ruining your point now. or post rolleyes. that and you'll habour a permenant and total resent ment at being made to look like the arse you are so willing to display...

i think we can rely on form here at least on this one son...

now then care to back up your swp are judeophobic accusations with some proof and also as you are un remittingly continuing to do so please also provide full details of the polical group called 'the left' and what their manifesto is.

i have no time for your wriggling any further.

however, your obsenancy can only mean you are looking to try and fight me wee man. and that means one thing....

you bang to rights as a troll again hearlded up and shown to be the odious little snipe you really are...

come now trolly...

with your mcvalues and fairweather activism what say you about the real content of the tpoic in hand the fact you cannot seem to remove your head from arse long enough to see it...
 
i need no lecture from mr cloth ears turn a dubious origined op into a maytrdom opperation for the more wadlical than thou twin set and peals brigadeer such as yourself.

and abuse.

i haven't abused you yet son you'll know when you've been abused it's when other people go garf leave you're ruining your point now. or post rolleyes. that and you'll habour a permenant and total resent ment at being made to look like the arse you are so willing to display...

i think we can rely on form here at least on this one son...

now then care to back up your swp are judeophobic accusations with some proof and also as you are un remittingly continuing to do so please also provide full details of the polical group called 'the left' and what their manifesto is.

i have no time for your wriggling any further.

however, your obsenancy can only mean you are looking to try and fight me wee man. and that means one thing....

you bang to rights as a troll again hearlded up and shown to be the odious little snipe you really are...

come now trolly...

with your mcvalues and fairweather activism what say you about the real content of the tpoic in hand the fact you cannot seem to remove your head from arse long enough to see it...


post reported yet again ..

and please do not call me son! i'm half your age again mate!! LOL! :D

yet again you make false acccusations .. where did i call the swp judeophobic??? LOL i have not and they ARE not .. i have simply made a point they have USED relegion and race in Tower hamlets ... but not in the reported instance .. i (and it appears you) really have no idea what you are on about ..

p.s. i was pulled up, rightly, many days ago about using the general term 'the left' .. i have not been since ... making it clear i refer to SWP/respect
 
post reported yet again ..

and please do not call me son! i'm half your age again mate!! LOL! :D

yet again you make false acccusations .. where did i call the swp judeophobic??? LOL i have not and they ARE not .. i have simply made a point they have USED relegion and race in Tower hamlets ... but not in the reported instance .. i (and it appears you) really have no idea what you are on about ..

p.s. i was pulled up, rightly, many days ago about using the general term 'the left' .. i have not been since ... making it clear i refer to SWP/respect

now you are merely a liar...

or chronologically challenged which is it trolly?

you do realise that the mods might have something more important to do than deal with siome middle aged ponce who talks a good fight but acutally when ti boils down to it cannot understand what they are deabteing and calls teacher every time they don't understand.

miss miss the bigger boys are debateign things i don't understand and are telling be to shut up as my life skills are from the beano. miss miss.

we won't want to see you banned for wasting mods time, which is what you selfishly are doing son, and doing it for what because you are too stupid to grasp that politiciseing something which has nothing inherenatly to do with anything at all is the act of a dsiplicable cunt, who is manipluatlign a situation in order to have further ammunition to bash their policial opponents.

to further their own politcal agendas.

this is classic kissing the baby stuff...

not intrested in the people intrested in giving the perception of backing the right issues. well done.

but really son sod the fuck off this thread you crediblitiy is being reduced to nothing more than student grant or a wadical version of tory boy... as i've said.

scant regard for the poor sods who had stones thrown at them scant regard even for the kids who have grown up in a situation where they think throwing stones is ok. but woe betide the swp if they don't speak up on it, that judeophobic cunts.

the reality is therer's only one very obvious cunt in this story and that's you. anyone whowould attempt to poilicise an attack like this regardless of the attacks motiviations to use to their own end.

what next duritti?

thalidomide children is why we cannot trust the alliences that the SWP have made with MAB?

Abu Graib is a classic example of pack mentality allowing and reasoning even condoning systemic violence with in the US military forces. The ritualised humlilation of inturnees and their degridation can be put down to two things lack of over all responsilbity with in the Us miliartary where people condone just following orders as the standard that and the SWP not being tought with their allience with MAB.

can you see yet where your inapproprate tacking on of a polical cause might actually be far more offensive than some ponce with poltical pretentions and fuck all clue getting flustered at being called names on the internet.

you sad sorry cunt.

but go ahead with you point dig your heels in. but don't expect anyone and i mean anyone in P&P to ever take you seriously again. For you, son, you polical posting career is over, you crediblity is shot to fuckery. nothing you ever post will be considered or even read with any form of integrity ever again.

and the best thing trolly is this isn't some group think this isn't ganging up, you got enough rope and you hung yourself. congratualtions on joining the nino talking out of your arse to unintrested parties club...

if P&P would now be upstandign i'd like to propose a toast.

RIP Durrittis Political Posting career - it was tiedious but thank god it was short.
 
now you are merely a liar...

or chronologically challenged which is it trolly?

you do realise that the mods might have something more important to do than deal with siome middle aged ponce who talks a good fight but acutally when ti boils down to it cannot understand what they are deabteing and calls teacher every time they don't understand.

miss miss the bigger boys are debateign things i don't understand and are telling be to shut up as my life skills are from the beano. miss miss.

we won't want to see you banned for wasting mods time, which is what you selfishly are doing son, and doing it for what because you are too stupid to grasp that politiciseing something which has nothing inherenatly to do with anything at all is the act of a dsiplicable cunt, who is manipluatlign a situation in order to have further ammunition to bash their policial opponents.

to further their own politcal agendas.

this is classic kissing the baby stuff...

not intrested in the people intrested in giving the perception of backing the right issues. well done.

but really son sod the fuck off this thread you crediblitiy is being reduced to nothing more than student grant or a wadical version of tory boy... as i've said.

scant regard for the poor sods who had stones thrown at them scant regard even for the kids who have grown up in a situation where they think throwing stones is ok. but woe betide the swp if they don't speak up on it, that judeophobic cunts.

the reality is therer's only one very obvious cunt in this story and that's you. anyone whowould attempt to poilicise an attack like this regardless of the attacks motiviations to use to their own end.

what next duritti?

thalidomide children is why we cannot trust the alliences that the SWP have made with MAB?

Abu Graib is a classic example of pack mentality allowing and reasoning even condoning systemic violence with in the US military forces. The ritualised humlilation of inturnees and their degridation can be put down to two things lack of over all responsilbity with in the Us miliartary where people condone just following orders as the standard that and the SWP not being tought with their allience with MAB.

can you see yet where your inapproprate tacking on of a polical cause might actually be far more offensive than some ponce with poltical pretentions and fuck all clue getting flustered at being called names on the internet.

you sad sorry cunt.

but go ahead with you point dig your heels in. but don't expect anyone and i mean anyone in P&P to ever take you seriously again. For you, son, you polical posting career is over, you crediblity is shot to fuckery. nothing you ever post will be considered or even read with any form of integrity ever again.

and the best thing trolly is this isn't some group think this isn't ganging up, you got enough rope and you hung yourself. congratualtions on joining the nino talking out of your arse to unintrested parties club...

if P&P would now be upstandign i'd like to propose a toast.

RIP Durrittis Political Posting career - it was tiedious but thank god it was short.

wow you really are a right nasty bullying bit of work arn't you? and yup post reported again

"middle aged ponce only one very obvious cunt in this story and that's you you sad sorry cunt i haven't abused you yet son you'll know when you've been abused the odious little snipe you really are We plan to cull you lot to at some point before i find a shovel and bury you 6 foot deep."

and how liar?? LOL

and i see you have a record of it too ( you've had a go a few on this thread already ) .. nice man .. and all cos i said ( underlined in bold replying to bristle )


01-02-2008, 17:05
durruti02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristly Pioneer
"At the end of the day, as far as I can see, a bunch of asian (not nessecarily muslim) kids, chucked stones at a bunch of people on a walk. The walk happened to be a jewish walk, we don't know that the kids knew that, we don't know that they dont.

I've lived in the area for the last 15 years, I've seen asian kids chuck stuff at white people, I saw a gang of asian kids chase a white business man and his girlfriend down the road opposite my house last week, I've seen asian kids arguing with black kids, and seen them having a go at other asian kids.

Mostly what I get from this is that there are large groups of bored asian kids who like to cause trouble in Whitechapel. SOME of this trouble MAY be racially or religiously motivated, but I would say that the LARGE majority is just bored kids being little shits, like bored kids of any colour or religion are.

The incident may have been racial, but nothing says to me it was, the kids didn't say anything racially motivated from what I read. I just think it's wrong to assume it was a muslim/jewish stand off when it could equally been a youth/elderly stand off or a locals/tourist thing.

the kids were violent shits, that is not in debate, but we don't know for sure why they were."

i agree with this .. but i think some people have rightly questionned that if it was a group of elderly asians who were attacked by a group of white kids the 'left' would have been more interested .."


i then substantiated this but you seeem entirely uninterested in fact by purely in your own bile induced fantasies .. whatever
 
you are an oxygen theif.

well done btw for turing this thread into one about you. quitely killed off the discussion of the Judeophoiba right and forced it on to discussion of your pet topic.
 
Cut out the onslaught of personal abuse please.

To be fair, half a dozen different posters have repeatedly (over the course of the thread) explained clearly and concisely why durutti's witterings about the SWP are absolutely irrelevant to the issue the thread deals with,.
Garf can't really be blamed for getting angry at someone who's so blinkered and unwilling to admit that they attempted to use this attack to score political points off of "the left" (for which read "the swappies and their ilk"). Durutti's display of ignorance and point-scoring would try the patience of a saint.
 
To be fair, half a dozen different posters have repeatedly (over the course of the thread) explained clearly and concisely why durutti's witterings about the SWP are absolutely irrelevant to the issue the thread deals with,.
Garf can't really be blamed for getting angry at someone who's so blinkered and unwilling to admit that they attempted to use this attack to score political points off of "the left" (for which read "the swappies and their ilk"). Durutti's display of ignorance and point-scoring would try the patience of a saint.

but those posters are incorrct VP .. to repeat
1) the OP refers to a Respect councillor I did not bring it in IT IS IN THE OP OK?? :)

2) the attack took place in a ward with a SWP councillor, one of only 4(?) they have out of the 20000+ councillors in the country .. so that makes it relevent

3) that the area has a respect mp .. ditto

4) that the SWP /Respect have used racial attacks ( and made out there is a war on islam ) to gain this now collapsed foothold .. whihc makes it relevent

so in this circumstance to say simply "i think some people have rightly questionned that if it was a group of elderly asians who were attacked by a group of white kids the 'left' would have been more interested" is entirely relevent and entirely unworthy of the response it is got

and not just abusive btw but almost always unfactual ( as i said i NEVER said ( not particulalry think )it was anti semitic and NEVER said ( nor believe) the SWP were judeophobic yet this was repeated time and time again as an accusation .. bizarre )

in fact your post above is also factually incorrect .. I said very early that, yes, i WAS making a political point .. to HIGHLIGHT how the swp have used this bengali community .. are we really not allowed to say this?? when half of Respect themselves now do???

and VP you of all people excusing bullying and abusuve behavoiour .. i am suprised :(


on topic do you not think if it were an attack by white kids on elderly bengalis the SWP /Respect would have made more of ot?
 
The Tourists understandably relate the reason 'why' they'd been stoned from their perspective as Jews on a Jewish East-End Heritage tour, held on the same day as the national Holocaust Memorial Day - the reality from the tourists' perspective is that this was just another violent incident in a long-line of incidences of hate-crime against Jews.

Whilst it's possible that the thugs had no idea that the tourists were Jewish, and didn't even throw stones for an anti-Jewish reason - they could just have been anti-whites, it's also possible that they overheard the tour-guide talking about Jewish history of pograms and anti-Jewish violence (Bart's family escaped Russian pograms to settle in the East End) and decided to join the infamously long-line of racialist bigots and thrown stones at the tourists knowing full well that they tourists were Jewish. Regardless of whether they acted from anti-Jewish bigotry, anti-white bigotry, or anti-North American(accented) anti-tourist bigotry, they deserve to be brought to book over their violent actions.

Stones have the potential to maim or kill, and those kids have no respect or care for other humans in their locality to be doing what they did. Their punishment should not be a mere fine - they ought to be proscribed a punishment that would teach them the meaning of community, and tolerance for those outside of their own 'group'. If it turns out they were anti-Jewish, then part of their punishment should be exposure to one of the many muslim-jewish groups that now exist in order that they might learn tolerance.

I don't doubt that there's racialist element to the attack, but I'm not yet convinced that it was a racist-hate crime because their targets were Jewish - more likely those kids were uniformly hostile to anyone not sharing their ethnicity, and it's even possible they were hostile to other 'youth-groups' of their own-ethnicity, in a territorial/competitive way. Since we don't really know those details as yet, we can't really say that the thugs acted from anti-Jewish hate. What we do know is that there have been non-Jewish whites also being attacked in a similar fashion in the same area.

I absolutely don't want to see or hear of inappropriate political capital to be made of this foul behaviour on the part of the stoning-youths or over the distress of the Tourists. The support of Islamophobes is no support for Jews and those who voice a hatred for Muslims cannot then profess convincingly to love Jews. The issues faced today by British Muslims in catering for their special needs have been experienced by British Jews in almost every way - from a special need for a non-protestant style of maternity service unlike those offered in Britain at the turn of the twentieth century, to a special-requirement for education and religious courts for marriage/birth/divorce/death - all of these things have been achieved already in this country by Jewish communities, without support of either state or wider-citizenry.

An outreach from the Jewish community to the Bengali community is the only way forward ime, and the actions of a small number of violent thugs should not be taken as indicative of the attitudes of the majority of naturalised Bengali Brits. It's absolutely irrelevent who sits on the council of this ward.

Do I blame the Labour councillor for the attitudes of white children towards Jews/Muslims after they stoned a group of our children walking home from school in her ward? 1 (invisibly) Jewish, 7 (visibly) Muslim were stoned on their way home from the local comp with taunts of "Go home Pakis" to the Muslim kids, and "Paki Lover!" to my son?

I blame the children themselves, some of whose parents would be horrified, some of whose parents are probably the root cause of their ingrained attitudes towards non-whites.

I don't blame the Labour councillor.

I do blame the national and international mainstream media (not local media) for whipping up hatred and fear of British Muslims, post Manhattan Massacre/London Transport bombings. I do blame extremists of all hues and the media's overfocus on them - BNP, Al Muhajaroun, etc - for polarising communities instead of focusing on community unity.

With fear instilled into people's hearts of the other, community unity might seem an impossiblity - yet there is much work to be done at a social level.

Quit the blame game and start working towards some degree of inter-group understanding and please stop trying to shunt blame to people who would not have thrown stones at the Jewish tourists.
 
Cut out the onslaught of personal abuse please.

firstly no.

secondly read the fucking thread rather than your knee jerk reaction to some whining little bitch who cannot debate and is being a dispicable cuntand find out why they are now reporting every post which highlights them as a cunt.

thridly since when is it aceptable on urban for some cunt to go around attempting to ascibe actions to politcial groups and organiseations which have no involvment in and then attempt to defame them on a publcially accessable forum? has urbans legal fighting team sudden had it's coffers enriched or are you going to fork out if the know legitious group start coming for you after durittis nonsense bollocks?

forthly durritti and many others are precsely why the poltics forums died on their arses. partisan muppets who'd rather cheap poitnn score and get one over on other posters than deabte real issues and will only discuss things in their limited and limiting terms they have no interest in anything remotely to do with real practical on the ground politics and eveyr thing to do with discussing old men with beards.

Fithly grammically its not personal abuse. I don't know them, thank fuck i moved on from 6th form years ago and met enoguh student grants there to keep me for life an extra durritti shaped one is more than excessive.

sixthly the words used are entirely appropreate to some scum who is attempting to make poltical capital out of this incident in order to bash a group he doens't like.

I'll put it in words you understand: cardiff city are responsible for the twin towers collasping becuase they didn't do anything to stop it or complain about it with an offical statement after the event. why are cardiff city such cunts, all football teams are this fucking useless?

which is the essence of what he's said. seems reasonable to you?

appropreate?

proportional?

reasoned?

or the work of a cunt?

and no we shouldn't need to report this worthless wastes of DNA on the boards what so ever you should know by now if duritti is reporting it then they are taking pasting in their polical viewpoint which is untennable at the best of times.
 
Holocaust Day marred by 'racist' stone-throwing

THE Holocaust Memorial Day marking the genocides of the 20th century was marred on Sunday when a gang of youths stoned Jewish tourists on a guided tour of London's East End.

A group of 96 visitors looking at sites of Jewish interest were attacked by youths hiding behind a fence in a back street in Whitechapel.

Two were struck by the missiles, an American woman lecturer at London's Metropolitan University and a Canadian lecturer. The woman had blood pouring from her head and needed hospital treatment.​

Continued: http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co....y=newsela&itemid=WeED30 Jan 2008 20:51:30:863

It's not the first time, either.

Presumably, the cowardly little thugs in question are not among the 500+ youths over whom Big Abjol Miah claims "influence".

but those posters are incorrct VP .. to repeat
1) the OP refers to a Respect councillor I did not bring it in IT IS IN THE OP OK?? :)

in the op by a known trolll.

more over it's not part of the piece on the incident it's a personal comment with soem one with a known axe to grind are you utterly incapable of sorting out personal postes context and agenda from the actual facts of the evidence presented toward it...

in which case i apologise i wasn't aware that you had such sever authism.
 
but those posters are incorrct VP .. to repeat
1) the OP refers to a Respect councillor I did not bring it in IT IS IN THE OP OK?? :)
Wrong, the OP doesn't refer to a Respect councilor.
Even the link in the OP only refers to Respect signing an all-party condemnation.
Go on, have a look.
I think you'll find it only refers to an individual and his supposed sway over local youth, which isn't the same thing (although I'm surprised JHE missed the chance to deploy his usual "al Respecq" tag).
2) the attack took place in a ward with a SWP councillor, one of only 4(?) they have out of the 20000+ councillors in the country .. so that makes it relevent
How?
The main relevance isn't to do with Respect or any other political party, it's that what was primarily Jewish-immigrant area 50-100 years ago is now a predominantly Muslim-immigrant area now
3) that the area has a respect mp .. ditto
Ditto my arse.
4) that the SWP /Respect have used racial attacks ( and made out there is a war on islam ) to gain this now collapsed foothold .. whihc makes it relevent
What they have or haven't done are absolutely irrelevant to the core matter of this case: Whether or not it was an attack motivated by anti-Semitism.
so in this circumstance to say simply "i think some people have rightly questionned that if it was a group of elderly asians who were attacked by a group of white kids the 'left' would have been more interested" is entirely relevent and entirely unworthy of the response it is got
It's irrelevant, you're postulating something that hasn't happened in order to support your preconceived ideas on what kind of reaction would occur. How can it be relevant when it's nonsensical and nothing to do with the reality of what happened?
and not just abusive btw but almost always unfactual ( as i said i NEVER said ( not particulalry think )it was anti semitic and NEVER said ( nor believe) the SWP were judeophobic yet this was repeated time and time again as an accusation .. bizarre )
It's not bizarre at all if you bother to go back and read your replies in context with the thread and with the posts you reply to.
in fact your post above is also factually incorrect .. I said very early that, yes, i WAS making a political point .. to HIGHLIGHT how the swp have used this bengali community .. are we really not allowed to say this?? when half of Respect themselves now do???
And yet again you display no understanding of context.
and VP you of all people excusing bullying and abusuve behavoiour .. i am suprised :(
You call it bullying and abusive, I call it very strongly worded and insult-laden understandable behaviour given your seeming difficulties in grasping a fairly simple point.
on topic do you not think if it were an attack by white kids on elderly bengalis the SWP /Respect would have made more of ot?
I don't know.
I suspect that, like politicians of all stripes, they would have weighed up how best to take advantage. The point being that every political party in the borough would have done so (as indeed they did with the ACTUAL attack).
 
I'm going to try a different approach.

duritti would you consider it bad form for say calvin kline to release a perfume called auztiwitz and have the launch at the abeit mache frie gates and each bottle was shaped like a mini body buring oven and the logo was a star of david in gold leaf amde form barbed wire. the typical half starve Kline models all in blue and drab white pyjamas with matching hats?

would that seem off to you as a concept?

would you then see it was perhaps compunding the error if david cameron then said that Britian must support this kind of thing because the prime minster hadn't condemed it.

would you in any way feel rather offended at the suggestion that as brown hadn't spoken on your behalf you have no justification to complain about it. would you be even more incesenced at cameron for daring to try and make the primeminster look weak when out of all of the vaild and definate critisms that could be made he used other peoples suffering and offence as a burrow to take side swipes.

would you think that cameron was dispicable?

some cavets for reading this:

don't tell me what you think of Labour or Tory. They are merely recogniseable constructs and identifiable totems of party Poltics. There is no purchase to be had in discussion of them. Which would only serve as a diversion or obfiscation from the very obvious questions contained within the example.

Don't tell me whether my spelling or use of english is correct, i'm a dyspraxic dyslexic, it won't be, there is no mileage in this discussion either.

Don't tell me you own poltical viewpoints. I have no time for happy clappy do gooding relgious nutjobs of any pursuaion.

Finally will you now hopefully realise there is no merit of capital in you continuing down this route of argument it is without doubt fool hardy to continue.
 
I'm going to try a different approach.

duritti would you consider it bad form for say calvin kline to release a perfume called auztiwitz and have the launch at the abeit mache frie gates and each bottle was shaped like a mini body buring oven and the logo was a star of david in gold leaf amde form barbed wire. the typical half starve Kline models all in blue and drab white pyjamas with matching hats?

would that seem off to you as a concept?

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Bleedin heck Garfield.
Exactly what point are you trying to make????

Durruti said something about RESPECT in Tower Hamlets you disagree with and you come out with loads of nutty stuff like this. KEERRRIKEY
 
Bleedin heck Garfield.
Exactly what point are you trying to make????

Durruti said something about RESPECT in Tower Hamlets you disagree with and you come out with loads of nutty stuff like this. KEERRRIKEY

It's patentinely obvious what my point is.

stop acting the goat with your poster pal duritti and both of you accept that it's utterly diabolocial to be attempting to use such a case as this as a political capital.

If you are too stupid to understand either my post or my words then please don't bother quoting them in your response with some faux sneer or alluding to your own personal agenda laden bais isn't acceptable either...
 
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