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jeremyisthemessiah.com?

Sorry, I just wanted to check - the 'grew up in a fiercely anti-racist household, so can't be an anti-Semite' stuff, does that apply to his brother, the well-known anti-Semite and conspiraloon Piers Corbyn as well?

It's a load of guff mate.
 
jeremyisthemessiah.com?

Sorry, I just wanted to check - the 'grew up in a fiercely anti-racist household, so can't be an anti-Semite' stuff, does that apply to his brother, the well-known anti-Semite and conspiraloon Piers Corbyn as well?

It's a load of guff mate.
It's not just his upbringing, though, is it? It's what he's done during his political career as well.
 
jeremyisthemessiah.com?

Sorry, I just wanted to check - the 'grew up in a fiercely anti-racist household, so can't be an anti-Semite' stuff, does that apply to his brother, the well-known anti-Semite and conspiraloon Piers Corbyn as well?

It's a load of guff mate.
The bit about his mum may be guff (is guff - he wasn't even born then). But the rest of it isn't.
 
jeremyisthemessiah.com?

Sorry, I just wanted to check - the 'grew up in a fiercely anti-racist household, so can't be an anti-Semite' stuff, does that apply to his brother, the well-known anti-Semite and conspiraloon Piers Corbyn as well?

It's a load of guff mate.
yes I discounted that one when I read it, but when you say 'It's a load of guff mate' are you referring to the rest of the points? I trust you'll go through them one by one to back 'it's a load of guff mate' up in the same manner.
 
jeremyisthemessiah.com?
See that's the problem - when "rather like Corbyn not being a very good lifelong anti-racism campaigner..." is shown actually to be a bit shit the response shifts to jeremyisthemessiah.com.

I quite like the bloke because of the jam making and allotment and his interaction with ordinary type people means he doesn't come across as a politician. It's the policies that I like though. Any thoughts on them or is it just jeremyistheantisemite.com all the way down like we get with the Mail and the Sun and the Guardian and the Telegraph and the Times and the BBC and .... Quite the propaganda success.
 
He wrote the forward for an old book that contained the classic antisemitic smear, that European finance was controlled by “men of a single and peculiar race” and called it "brilliant."

He either didn't read the book, in which case his writing is disingenuous, or he did, in which case, what?

"Johnson is a much worse racist" and "he campaigned against apartheid" don't answer that question.
 
Yep, done nothing at all his whole life to fight antisemitism, utter bastard he is :mad:

20 February 2019 at 10:07 ·

1. In October 1936, Jeremy Corbyn’s mother participated in the battle of Cable Street indefence of British Jews after British fascists had staged an assault on the area. Corbyn was raised in a household passionately opposed to antisemitism in all its forms.
2. In 23rd April 1977, Corbyn organised a counter-demonstration to protect Wood Green from a neo-nazi march through the district. The area had a significant Jewish population.
3. On 7 November 1990, Corbyn signed a motion condemning the rise of antisemitism in the UK
4. In 2002 Jeremy Corbyn led a clean-up and vigil at Finsbury Park Synagogue which had been vandalised in an anti-Semitic attack
5. On 30 April 2002, Corbyn tabled a motion in the House of Commons condemning ananti-Semitic attack on a London Synagogue
6. On 26 November 2003, Jeremy Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion condemning terrorist attacks on two synagogues
7. In February 2009, Jeremy Corbyn signed a parliamentary motion condemning a fascist for establishing a website to host antisemitic materials
8. On 24th March 2009, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising British Jews who resisted the Holocaust by risking their lives to save potential victims
9. Nine years ago, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising “Jewish News”for its pioneering investigation into the spread of Antisemitism on Facebook
10. On 9 February 2010, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion calling for an investigation into Facebook and its failure to prevent the spread of antisemitic materials on its site.
11. On 27 October 2010, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising the late Israeli Prime Minister for pursuing a two state solution to the Israel/Palestine question.
12. On 13 June 2012, Corbyn sponsored and signed a motion condemning the BBC for cutting a Jewish Community television programme from its schedule.
13. 1 October 2013, Corbyn appeared on the BBC to defend Ralph Miliband against vile antisemitic attacks by the UK press.
14. Five years ago Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion condemning antisemitism in sport.
15. On 1 March 2013, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion condemning and expressing concern at growing levels of antisemitism in European football.
16. On 9 January 2014, Jeremy Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising Holocaust education programmes that had taken 20,000 British students to Auschwitz.
17. On 22 June 2015, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion expressing concern at the neo-nazi march being planned for an area of London with a significant Jewish population.
18. On 9 October 2016, Corbyn, close to tears, commemorated the 1936 Battle of Cable Street and recalled the role his mother played in defending London’s Jewish community.
19. On 3 December 2016, Corbyn made a visit to Terezin Concentration Camp when Jewish people were murdered by the Nazis. It was Jeremy’s third visit to such a camp, all of which were largely unreported in the most read UK papers.
20. Last year, a widely-endorsed 2018 academic report found ninety-five serious reporting failures in the reporting of the LabourAntisemitism story with the worst offenders The Sun, the Mail & the BBC.
21. On 28 February 2016, five months after becoming leader, Jeremy Corbyn appointed Baroness Royall to investigate antisemitism at Oxford University Labour Club.
22. On 27 April 2016 Corbyn suspended an MP pending an investigation into antisemitism.
23. A day later, Corbyn suspended the three times Mayor of London after complaints of antisemitic comments. Party.
24. On 29 April 2016, Corbyn launched an inquiry into the prevalence of antisemitism in the Labour Party. In spite of later changes in how the inquiry was reported, it was initially praised by Jewish community organisations.
25. In Corbyn’s first seven months as leader of the Labour Party, just ten complaints were received about antisemitism. 90% of those were suspended from the Labour Party within 24 hours.
26. In September 2017, Corbyn backed a motion at Labour’s annual conference introducing a new set of rules regarding antisemitism.
27. In the six months that followed the introduction of the new code of conduct, to March 2018, 94% of the fifty-four people accused of antisemitism remained suspended or barred from Labour Party membership. Three of the fifty-four were exonerated.
28. When Jennie Formby became general secretary of the party last year, she appointed a highly-qualified in-house Counsel, as recommended in the Chakrabarti Report.
29. In 2018, Labour almost doubled the size of its staff team handling investigations and dispute processes.
30. Last year, to speed up the handling of antisemitism cases, smaller panels of 3-5 NEC members were established to enable cases to be heard more quickly.
31. Since 2018, every complaint made about antisemitism is allocated its own independent specialist barrister to ensure due process is followed.
32. The entire backlog of cases outstanding upon Jennie Formby becoming General Secretary of the Labour Party was cleared within 6 months of Jennie taking up her post.
33. Since September 2018, Labour has doubled the size of its National Constitutional Committee (NCC) – its senior disciplinary panel – from 11 to 25 members to enable it to process cases more quickly.
34. Under Formby and Labour’s left-run NEC, NCC arranged elections at short notice to ensure the NCC reached its new full capacity without delay.
35. Since later 2018, the NCC routinely convenes a greater number of hearing panels to allow cases to be heard and finalised without delay.
36. In 2018, the NEC established a ‘Procedures Working Group’ to lead reforms in the way disciplinary cases are handled.
37. The NEC adopted the IHRA working definition of antisemitism and all eleven examples of antisemitism attached to it.
38. A rule change agreed at Conference in 2018 means that all serious complaints, including antisemitism, are dealt with nationally to ensure consistency.
39. Last year, Jennie Formby wrote to the admins and moderators of Facebook groups about how they can effectively moderate online spaces and requested that any discriminatory content be reported to the Labour Party for investigation.
40. Since last year, no one outside Labour’s Governance and Legal Unit can be involved in decision-making on antisemitism investigations. This independence allows decisions free from political influence to be taken.



I've got this as a gif somewhere on my hard drive (but I'm damned if I can find out where). It should have been a devastating riposte to any accusations of anti-semitism - but to be used as such it would have to have been deployed the minute the very first accusations and smears were aired. And doing that would have required taking anti-semitism seriously. Not treating it like a ball from which one's eye can be taken off.

Anyway, it's all academic anyway. We know what would have happened had he ever actually become PM.


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That's all folks!
 
He wrote the forward for an old book that contained the classic antisemitic smear, that European finance was controlled by “men of a single and peculiar race” and called it "brilliant."

He either didn't read the book, in which case his writing is disingenuous, or he did, in which case, what?

"Johnson is a much worse racist" and "he campaigned against apartheid" don't answer that question.
Hobson's Imperialism, you mean? He wasn't endorsing Hobson's anti-semitism, but his role in developing the left-wing theory of imperialism - which was not a theory that ascribed imperialism to the work of "men of a single and peculiar race".
 
Hobson's Imperialism, you mean? He wasn't endorsing Hobson's anti-semitism, but his role in developing the left-wing theory of imperialism - which was not a theory that ascribed imperialism to the work of "men of a single and peculiar race".
Using the absolute rampant antisemitism that ran through the thinking of the 19th century, which anyone even semi interested in reading or history is aware of, to own your 21st century political rivals. I'm just here burning my Jack London books
 
That's the thing my old love, I don't uphold myself as a paragon of virtue with a spotlessly clean moral compass.

He does.
Where?

One if the many problems with political culture in this country is that politicians are expected to pretend to be paragons of virtue.

The irony here of course is that Corbyn comes much closer to meeting that impossible standard than the vast majority of politicians from any party.
 
If a new Corbyn led (possibly temporary) party/outfit forms to campaign for him in Islington, it's going attract every borderline I-was-only-talking-about-Israel-honest-guv anti-semite about and he's going to welcome them with open arms. It's going to be awful.
 
Using the absolute rampant antisemitism that ran through the thinking of the 19th century, which anyone even semi interested in reading or history is aware of, to own your 21st century political rivals. I'm just here burning my Jack London books
I get what you're saying, but if you were asked to write a forward for a book of that era, that contained antisemitic tropes, surely wouldn't do so without any comment on said tropes. I know I wouldn't.

The right-wing media and politicians were definitely ready to pounce, but he didn't help himself at all. The mural he praised was pretty blatant, saying British Zionists don't get English humour like they were not proper English/British, all of it. Even writing this feels like some people'll see it as blasphemy cos in many ways he was a breath of fresh air compared to Labour leaders before and since (Starmer - barf) but honestly I think he was either spectacularly naive, or maybe subconsciously turning a blind eye to stuff that was antisemitic.

He put forward some good policies, he was as close to progressive as you're gonna find in a senior politician, but I don't think it helps to ignore the elephants in the room just because of someone's right-wing enemies.
 
If a new Corbyn led (possibly temporary) party/outfit forms to campaign for him in Islington, it's going attract every borderline I-was-only-talking-about-Israel-honest-guv anti-semite about and he's going to welcome them with open arms. It's going to be awful.
You don’t think such a party/outfit would have any vetting or scrutiny, just a sort of ‘well we are all aware of how an anti Corbyn campaign will be run so lets welcome every nutty anti semite with open arms ‘ type policy ?
 
Where?

One if the many problems with political culture in this country is that politicians are expected to pretend to be paragons of virtue.

The irony here of course is that Corbyn comes much closer to meeting that impossible standard than the vast majority of politicians from any party.

Kinda also weird to think its somehow preferable to have public figures with no principles than to have some who do but don't always live up to them.

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You don’t think such a party/outfit would have any vetting or scrutiny, just a sort of ‘well were are all aware of how an anti Corbyn campaign will be run so lets welcome every nutty anti semite with open arms ‘ type policy ?

I very much doubt it would have any truly effective vetting procedure, I'm not sure that such a thing is even possible but that's not the issue IMO. I doubt it will have a culture of challenging this sort of stuff and I'd expect Corbyn to be part of that culture.
 
I very much doubt it would have any truly effective vetting procedure, I'm not sure that such a thing is even possible but that's not the issue IMO. I doubt it will have a culture of challenging this sort of stuff and I'd expect Corbyn to be part of that culture.
I don’t know the answer to the question I’m going to ask but if as you say Corbyn is part of that culture then is this culture exhibited or has been exhibited in the actions of the membership of his local party ?
 
I don’t know the answer to the question I’m going to ask but if as you say Corbyn is part of that culture then is this culture exhibited or has been exhibited in the actions of the membership of his local party ?

I'm not expecting it to be made up of members of his local party as they'd be expelled if they campaigned for him. I'm expecting ex-members, various non-aligned individuals, various left organisations. Obviously this is all speculation but I'm not full of hope about it.
 
I'm not expecting it to be made up of members of his local party as they'd be expelled if they campaigned for him. I'm expecting ex-members, various non-aligned individuals, various left organisations. Obviously this is all speculation but I'm not full of hope about it.
Ok so as I understand it despite Corbyn being ‘part of that culture’ his local Labour Party isn’t ?
 
I really don't know.
If you google it, you can find plenty of statements from various Jewish Labour members in Islington in support of Corbyn. I've done a little search and haven't found a single thing from a Jewish Labour member in Islington condemning him.

Now clearly they're biased - as Labour members in Islington, all of them will have met Corbyn personally and campaigned in the past on his behalf. But still, for someone alleged to fail the smell test, it's telling that not a single Jewish Labour member in Islington has come out publicly to suggest that he whiffs.

Meanwhile, as of summer last year, no fewer than 54 Jewish members of the Labour Party have been sanctioned for antisemitism.

to be a member of JVL [Jewish Voice for Labour] is to be 35 times more likely to be accused of antisemitism than any other party member

Geoffrey Bindman on Labour's antisemitism scandal: 'There has been political manipulation'

Almost like Starmer's purge of antisemitism isn't actually about antisemitism at all.
 
I very much doubt it would have any truly effective vetting procedure, I'm not sure that such a thing is even possible but that's not the issue IMO. I doubt it will have a culture of challenging this sort of stuff and I'd expect Corbyn to be part of that culture.
Yep - like with the mural, if you had a bellyfeel approach to that sort of thing, if your first reaction was "that's conspiraloon bollocks, and conspiraloons are either next-door to anti-semites or else anti-semites themselves, so fuck them and their mural" - then you might not have been immune to smears and innuendo, but it would have been a lot harder for the enemy to land a few blows.
 
When I first saw the mural (as I recall) I saw a load of businessmen in suits sat round a table carving up the world, with a pyramid like the one on the dollar bill in the background. I did look at one of the figures but all I saw was an Alf Garnet lookalike. I can quite believe he didn't see it as antisemitic, and I don't think he was lying about it. When he did see it, he retracted and apologized.

There are enough examples of people liking posts on here that someone then shows were in some way dodgy. Generally someone apologizes and that's forgotten.
 
Yep - like with the mural, if you had a bellyfeel approach to that sort of thing, if your first reaction was "that's conspiraloon bollocks, and conspiraloons are either next-door to anti-semites or else anti-semites themselves, so fuck them and their mural" - then you might not have been immune to smears and innuendo, but it would have been a lot harder for the enemy to land a few blows.
His failure to recognise that mural for what it was was dim. No question. But what do you read into that? The worst that is being said in most instances here is that he's liked something he shouldn't have liked or praised someone he shouldn't have praised or stood next to someone he shouldn't have stood next to or pronounced a name in a way he shouldn't have pronounced it.

I think it's only fair to set against those kinds of incidents the long list of things he's actually done for Jewish communities in Islington and elsewhere, plus the support of Jewish people who actually know and have worked with him. These are rather more substantial than occasional dim moments.
 
If you google it, you can find plenty of statements from various Jewish Labour members in Islington in support of Corbyn. I've done a little search and haven't found a single thing from a Jewish Labour member in Islington condemning him.

Now clearly they're biased - as Labour members in Islington, all of them will have met Corbyn personally and campaigned in the past on his behalf. But still, for someone alleged to fail the smell test, it's telling that not a single Jewish Labour member in Islington has come out publicly to suggest that he whiffs.

Meanwhile, as of summer last year, no fewer than 54 Jewish members of the Labour Party have been sanctioned for antisemitism.



Geoffrey Bindman on Labour's antisemitism scandal: 'There has been political manipulation'

Almost like Starmer's purge of antisemitism isn't actually about antisemitism at all.

I think you're answering a slightly different question. But for what it's worth JVL had some terrible myopic positions. Eg. championing Chris Williamson well after he'd gone weird red-brown pro Assad. The pro-Corbyn left are a mess and whereas I can sympathise with Corbyn himself and it would be good to see Starmer's Labour get a bloody nose, I can't see anything good coming out of this.
 
When I first saw the mural (as I recall) I saw a load of businessmen in suits sat round a table carving up the world, with a pyramid like the one on the dollar bill in the background. I did look at one of the figures but all I saw was an Alf Garnet lookalike. I can quite believe he didn't see it as antisemitic, and I don't think he was lying about it. When he did see it, he retracted and apologized.

There are enough examples of people liking posts on here that someone then shows were in some way dodgy. Generally someone apologizes and that's forgotten.
I'm not saying he liked a dodgy thing, therefore he's dodgy himself! It's like I said further up the thread - he is definitely not an anti-semite, but his understanding of anti-semitism was (and is?) inadequate. And that's why bad actors were able to weaponise that inadequacy against him, and the people he represented.

Anyway, what's going to happen next is that Starmer will win the next election, and then rip his rubber mask off to reveal that he has been Zombie Thatcher all along. Five years after that, when you're sitting amidst the rubble of the final breakdown. . .
 
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