Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[steveseagull]

Oh and Islington North. You really think that the place is not going to be swarming with campaigning socialists in the weeks leading up to a general election if he stands as an independent?

 

[Treacle Toes]

I’d win Islington North if you pinned a red rosette on me!

Just like that, you'd be and have achieved as much as he has both locally and for international political campaigns. Okay, right, silly me. Who does he think he is!

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He may well have been wronged, I’m not disputing that. Today was not the day to be on Facebook making ill-considered comments. Say something conciliatory or shut up, until next week at least.

So you agree he has been wronged but would have preferred him to delay his legitimate response until you were ready to hear/read/see it (ie never) even though he didn't actually do anything wrong in that response. Right, got it.

 

[steveseagull]

The centrist mindset kills my brain cells. I suspect many of them would vote for Donald Trump if Bernie Sanders was running.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Oh and Islington North. You really think that the place is not going to be swarming with campaigning socialists in the weeks leading up to a general election if he stands as an independent?

He has a strong personal vote. He'd win, probably easily.

 

[cyril_smear]

He has a strong personal vote. He'd win, probably easily.

that'll keep him in a salary then, phew.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

that'll keep him in a salary then, phew.

wow

Ridiculous thing to say.

You know the expenses scandal. The time all the mps got done cos they thought they could get away with taking loads of free money? Look up Corbyn's record for expenses through that time.

It's a good test imo - how did MPs act when they thought nobody was looking? The majority failed miserably. Most of the rest merely failed quite badly. Only a tiny handful of MPs emerged from that scandal totally unscathed. Corbyn was one of them.

 

[steveseagull]

that is sort of the aim of working and doing a job

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It's also the reply to the idea that anyone standing in Islington North with a red rosette would win. Not if they were standing against Jeremy Corbyn, they wouldn't.

 

[pseudonarcissus]

So you agree he has been wronged but would have preferred him to delay his legitimate response until you were ready to hear/read/see it (ie never) even though he didn't actually do anything wrong in that response. Right, got it.

I assume he had a fair hearing at what is a quasi-judicial panel. Or are the the inequality tribunal acting inequitably?
He and Formby failed tô deal with the problem when they were in charge. Blaming dark forces or bad faith actors for the failure to deal with, what was admittedly a long term and horribly complicated problem, is trying to avoid any responsibility. A feature of his political career, maybe.

 

[ska invita]

I’d win Islington North if you pinned a red rosette on me!
He may well have been wronged, I’m not disputing that. Today was not the day to be on Facebook making ill-considered comments. Say something conciliatory or shut up, until next week at least.

hes a brilliant tireless local MP - possibly the best in the UK - and most everyone in the ward knows it
if he gets booted out the party, does that trigger a by-election? if so i expect him to stand as an independent and win by a mile - theres no one they could stick a red rosette on who would beat him, not even you

 

[littlebabyjesus]

if he gets booted out the party, does that trigger a by-election?

No, it doesn't. There is no rule that says he has to quit.

 

[pseudonarcissus]

No, it doesn't. There is no rule that says he has to quit.

I really hope the “suspension” is only temporary. Although I didn‘t vote for him to be leader, or think he was an effective leader of the opposition, i think it’s good to hãve interesting, contrarian, characters in the party. I’d never advocate for a bland homogeneous lump of Blairites, even if most folk here would think that was my natural political home.
Let’s hope he comes back in the tent to piss out. I don’t wish perpetual Tory rule on you all.

 

[steveseagull]

He and Formby failed tô deal with the problem when they were in charge.

You have clearly not read the report have you?

 

[pseudonarcissus]

You have clearly not read the report have you?

Not yet

 

[Treacle Toes]

I assume he had a fair hearing at what is a quasi-judicial panel. Or are the the inequality tribunal acting inequitably?
He and Formby failed tô deal with the problem when they were in charge. Blaming dark forces or bad faith actors for the failure to deal with, what was admittedly a long term and horribly complicated problem, is trying to avoid any responsibility. A feature of his political career, maybe.

Have you read the report or even parts of it that directly address the assumptions you are making? What do you know about the report and references to when Fornby took over that role?

' I assume he had a fair hearing'? When.?..today?

 

[Treacle Toes]

that'll keep him in a salary then, phew.

Cos he really is all about he salary isn't he.?...The worst kind.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

tbh I wouldn't blame him for quitting and triggering a by-election. Embarrass the fuck out of the Labour Party. Dare the fuckers to put someone up against him only to be humiliated. (I don't think he will, but he could if he wanted.)

Starmer has not thought this through, has he? Useless, panicky twat.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Let’s hope he comes back in the tent to piss out. I don’t wish perpetual Tory rule on you all.

Serious question...Are you pissed?

 

[Raheem]

Starmer has not thought this through, has he? Useless, panicky twat.

I'm not sure Starmer has done this in a panic exactly. Think he has a list of names and people monitoring for anything that can give him an excuse to come down like a ton of bricks. So, it's opportunistic and he might not have woken up knowing today was Corbyn's day. But it's part of a thought-out strategy in some sense, and it's not caused him any problems to far. Maybe this will be different but only time will tell.

 

[pseudonarcissus]

Have you read the report or even parts of it that directly address the assumptions you are making? What do you know about the report and references to when Fornby took over that role?

' I assume he had a fair hearing'? When.?..today?

The Party is responsible for three breaches of the Equality Act (2010) relating to:

• political interference in antisemitism complaints
• failure to provide adequate training to those handling antisemitism complaints
• harassment

The Labour Party made a commitment to zero tolerance for antisemitism. Our investigation has highlighted multiple areas where its approach and leadership to tackling antisemitism was insufficient. This is inexcusable and appeared to be a result of a lack of willingness to tackle antisemitism rather than an inability to do so.

As the leader of the party at the time, and given the extent of the failings we found in the political interference within the leader of the opposition’s office, Jeremy Corbyn is ultimately accountable and responsible for what happened at that time,

 

[pseudonarcissus]

I'm not sure Starmer has done this in a panic exactly. Think he has a list of names and people monitoring for anything that can give him an excuse to come down like a ton of bricks. So, it's opportunistic and he might not have woken up knowing today was Corbyn's day. But it's part of a thought-out strategy in some sense, and it's not caused him any problems to far. Maybe this will be different but only time will tell.

I suspect the suspension is a direct response to Corbyn’s Facebook post. It’s not really Starmer’s nature to be intemperate.

 

[killer b]

Sure sure. Sacking shadow ministers for breaking a one line whip on votes of conscience is 'temperate' for example. He's only temperate when going up against the tories, he's been swinging every other day for his own benches.

 

[Dogsauce]

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Footnote 7: Accepted list of legitimate criticisms in full:

a) the temperature of the air conditioning at tel aviv airport;

list ends

 

[bimble]

'Exceptionalism' really is a fucking arse of an expectation and the worse kind of emotionally immature and intellectually dishonest manipulation.

What is this in reference to? What exceptionalism ?

 

[killer b]

(FWIW I reckon Corbyn should absolutely take more responsibility for the antisemitism the party under him failed to do very much about - but the idea that this suspension isn't part of a strategy is a fucking joke)

 

[JTG]

WRT who made the decision, LOTO has been at pains to point the finger at David Evans who 'consulted' SKS before pulling the trigger.

There was no panel, he was suspended pending an investigation. NEC last night were apparently asking under what rule he had been suspended and Evans refused to tell them. Because they don't know yet.

I read JC's full statement that triggered this. There was absolutely nothing wrong with it.

This is a coup, nothing less

 

[LDC]

I read JC's full statement that triggered this. There was absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Not even monumentally stupid timing?

 

[Pickman's model]

WRT who made the decision, LOTO has been at pains to point the finger at David Evans who 'consulted' SKS before pulling the trigger.

There was no panel, he was suspended pending an investigation. NEC last night were apparently asking under what rule he had been suspended and Evans refused to tell them. Because they don't know yet.

I read JC's full statement that triggered this. There was absolutely nothing wrong with it.

This is a coup, nothing less

Usually a coup is against the existing leadership

 

[JTG]

Not even monumentally stupid timing?

Not really no. When is he supposed to do a statement expressing solidarity with Jewish people and condemning AS? Next week?

 

[JTG]

Usually a coup is against the existing leadership

They failed when they tried that