Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[kebabking]

JTG how is it a coup?

Corbyn isn't leader, he's not King-over-the-water, he's not a prospective leader, he's a busted flush that the juggernaut of politics has left, fairly or otherwise, as mangled roadkill. He's in the same position as Theresa May in the Tories - the odd spicy comment, a few looking fondly at what once was and comparing it favourably to what is, but still mangled roadkill that won't rise again.

It's not a coup, it's an exorcism.

 

[JTG]

JTG how is it a coup?

Corbyn isn't leader, he's not King-over-the-water, he's not a prospective leader, he's a busted flush that the juggernaut of politics has left, fairly or otherwise, as mangled roadkill. He's in the same position as Theresa May in the Tories - the odd spicy comment, a few looking fondly at what once was and comparing it favourably to what is, but still mangled roadkill that won't rise again.

It's not a coup, it's an exorcism.

Whatever it is, it's forward to 2010 again

 

[ska invita]

Usually a coup is against the existing leadership

A purge is a more accurate term

We can only hope the Great Director of Prosecution leads the show trial himself, personally

 

[JTG]

And in terms of the description, it's ensuring hegemony over all the workings of the party incl the NEC. Bit deeper than just the leader

 

[LDC]

Not really no. When is he supposed to do a statement expressing solidarity with Jewish people and condemning AS? Next week?

When is he supposed to do a statement that in part says anti-Semitism in the party has been exaggerated? Erm, yes, next week would have been better for sure.

 

[JTG]

When is he supposed to do a statement that in part says anti-Semitism in the party has been exaggerated? Erm, yes, next week would have been better for sure.

He's entitled to the view, as per the EHRC report.

Have they worked out what rule he's been suspended under yet do you know?

 

[ska invita]

Have they worked out what rule he's been suspended under yet do you know?

not this one

This is a rather interesting section of the EHRC report, given what Corbyn appears to have been suspended for.

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I cant see Corbyn getting kicked out tbh...and then what happens?
Though if they do kick him out anyway, then all hell breaks loose IMO

 

[killer b]

And in terms of the description, it's ensuring hegemony over all the workings of the party incl the NEC. Bit deeper than just the leader

was anyone expecting anything else? It was Corbyn's failure to do this effectively as leader that is - at least partly - responsible for this shitshow.

 

[JTG]

not this one


I cant see Corbyn getting kicked out tbh...and then what happens?

Perhaps a top lawyer could tell us. Is there one close to the action do we know?

 

[JTG]

was anyone expecting anything else? It was Corbyn's failure to do this effectively as leader that is - at least partly - responsible for this shitshow.

Absolutely. Number one lesson - no mercy ever. Destroy the fuckers before they destroy you.

Everything they ever accused the left of doing - purges, control of the party over winning elections - is what they wanted themselves

 

[JTG]

He has a strong personal vote. He'd win, probably easily.

He was apparently doing his regular shift at the foodbank yesterday, even after the suspension. That's why he would win by a country mile

 

[ska invita]

Perhaps a top lawyer could tell us. Is there one close to the action do we know?

someone with a forensic eye for having read the first 10 articles

 

[ska invita]

was anyone expecting anything else?

well there was some talk of Sir SUV being the unity candidate

 

[Smokeandsteam]

When is he supposed to do a statement that in part says anti-Semitism in the party has been exaggerated? Erm, yes, next week would have been better for sure.

That’s what I don’t get. The tactics from Corbyn’s camp. The first rule in a ruck is not to get taken out early and to make yourself as hard to hit as possible

 

[killer b]

well there was some talk of Sir SUV being the unity candidate

They were all lying.

 

[killer b]

Absolutely. Number one lesson - no mercy ever. Destroy the fuckers before they destroy you.

Everything they ever accused the left of doing - purges, control of the party over winning elections - is what they wanted themselves

That works in the other direction though - the left are letting themselves be walked backwards out of the party with unforced error after unforced error. They don't have to step into every pit full of spikes Starmer digs in front of them.

Corbyn knew - or should have knew - that they would come for him yesterday if they could, and he gave them the excuse. Was it a provocation, or just stupidity?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Was it a provocation, or just stupidity?

As I’ve just written I cannot understand the thinking by Corbyn and allies. In a battle with PMC types like Starmer you have to force them off their terrain - procedure, the ‘law’, process, arcane and insider rules - where they are comfortable game players. If they still want the row have it on your terms and at a time and manner of your choosing. On that basis you’d have to conclude it was the latter. Starmer must be pissing himself at how easy the opportunity was

 

[sleaterkinney]

He's entitled to the view, as per the EHRC report.

Have they worked out what rule he's been suspended under yet do you know?

And you don’t think saying AS in Labour is “dramatically overstated for political reasons” on the day of the report is problematic?

 

[two sheds]

Do you not think it has been true?

 

[JTG]

That works in the other direction though - the left are letting themselves be walked backwards out of the party with unforced error after unforced error. They don't have to step into every pit full of spikes Starmer digs in front of them.

Corbyn knew - or should have knew - that they would come for him yesterday if they could, and he gave them the excuse. Was it a provocation, or just stupidity?

Tend to agree. He's a stubborn man who has maintained his position over time by being that way. It has a limit but there it is, he found himself leading the party because it was his turn to stand when the opportunity opened up but it never made him infallible.

 

[killer b]

Tend to agree. He's a stubborn man who has maintained his position over time by being that way. It has a limit but there it is, he found himself leading the party because it was his turn to stand when the opportunity opened up but it never made him infallible.

sure, but it also limits my sympathy. It's possible the forces against him were too much in the end for any left leader of the party to withstand, but I can't help looking at stuff like this and wondering at the opportunity squandered.

 

[JTG]

sure, but it also limits my sympathy. It's possible the forces against him were too much in the end for any left leader of the party to withstand, but I can't help looking at stuff like this and wondering at the opportunity squandered.

Fair enough, not quite there myself but it's reasonable. Whispers that LOTO approved the statement after SKS told JC what he was going to say the night before. But then again he pulled the same stunt on RLB so even if true it strikes me as being unnecessarily credulous

 

[killer b]

Whispers that LOTO approved the statement after SKS told JC what he was going to say the night before.

yeah, I don't believe that.

 

[Pickman's model]

sure, but it also limits my sympathy. It's possible the forces against him were too much in the end for any left leader of the party to withstand, but I can't help looking at stuff like this and wondering at the opportunity squandered.

The greater problem of course being a pinkish leader of a largely pale blue parliamentary party

 

[JTG]

yeah, I don't believe that.

No idea tbh but we're talking about a guy who gave a six figure sum to Sam Matthews, the man responsible for the EHRC's unchecked complaints inbox so I wouldn't be remotely surprised that he's that obvious because he knows there won't be any consequences

 

[bellaozzydog]

I assume he had a fair hearing at what is a quasi-judicial panel. Or are the the inequality tribunal acting inequitably?
He and Formby failed tô deal with the problem when they were in charge. Blaming dark forces or bad faith actors for the failure to deal with, what was admittedly a long term and horribly complicated problem, is trying to avoid any responsibility. A feature of his political career, maybe.

Have you read the report

 

[Brainaddict]

sure, but it also limits my sympathy. It's possible the forces against him were too much in the end for any left leader of the party to withstand, but I can't help looking at stuff like this and wondering at the opportunity squandered.

Yep, and some of the unforced errors (besides this one) were massive. His inability to sat the right thing at the right time (and his ability to say the wrong thing at the wrong time - see the russian poisoning case) made him very easy to attack. Milne was always shit at the comms job and tbh I think for pragmatic reasons he should have hired a proper Machiavellian type for that job to help him keep his gob shut, rather than one of his mates.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Do you not think it has been true?

Not the time or the place, it looks like he is trying to minimise the report.

 

[LDC]

He's entitled to the view, as per the EHRC report.

Have they worked out what rule he's been suspended under yet do you know?

Yeah, he's totally entitled to do anything, but politically I think it was an extraordinarily dumb thing to do. But I'd say that's one of his failings, an inability to keep his mouth shut (or say the right thing) at the right time. His supporters will love it, his enemies will be gleeful, and for many other people it smacks of at best insensitivity, at worst, well anti-Semitism.

I have no idea of the rules of the Labour party tbh, nor could I care less.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Corbyn knew - or should have knew - that they would come for him yesterday if they could, and he gave them the excuse. Was it a provocation, or just stupidity?

I think Corbyn still believes against all logic and evidence that if he just says things he believes are fair and accurate then somehow everything will work out fine. So file that under 'stupidity' I suppose.

I'm not saying it's what happened, but I know I definitely wouldn't put it past Starmer to agree to Corbyn's statement and then throw him under the bus for saying it anyway. That seems to be pretty much exactly what happened to Rebecca Long-Bailey, at least according to her version of events.