Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[CNT36]

On the other hand Starmer cracks me up. Proper laugh out loud funny. Hilarious guy. He's got my vote. One of the lads.

 

[SpookyFrank]

This thread was top of the pile, perhaps it should have been closed, or marked "positive comments only".

Just stuff with some actual content would be a start. This isn't exactly the Jeremy Corbyn fan club, as you might have noticed if you'd read a few posts before you started carpet-bombing the place with dreary one-note whingeing.

 

[SpookyFrank]

On the other hand Starmer cracks me up. Proper laugh out loud funny. Hilarious guy. He's got my vote. One of the lads.

Just last week I saw him blink.

 

[belboid]

If Foot had stood in 2017 he'd have romped home.

there aren't enough smilies in the world to express the hilarious stupidity of this comment

 

[CNT36]

I wouldn't exactly compare a post-Falklands Thatcher to a Brexitised Theresa May. If Foot had stood in 2017 he'd have romped home.

I can't quite put my finger on why but terms like "romped home" in a political context always makes me think of fist clenched, bright red Tories failing to maintain even the will to appear human.

 

[platinumsage]

On the other hand Starmer cracks me up. Proper laugh out loud funny. Hilarious guy. He's got my vote. One of the lads.

Yet another post hopelessly conflating not being a grumpy cunt who can't constructively debate with people whose views he opposes, with some other thing entirely. You'd don't have to be "one of the lads" to be an effective politician.

e2a: Starmer isn't relevant as he's not a left-wing Labour leader.

 

[platinumsage]

Just stuff with some actual content would be a start. This isn't exactly the Jeremy Corbyn fan club, as you might have noticed if you'd read a few posts before you started carpet-bombing the place with dreary one-note whingeing.

I was asking for content - any clips of him doing a Micahel Foot and actually trying to convince people who opposed him? Or is it just ranting for his base?

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

I wouldn't exactly compare a post-Falklands Thatcher to a Brexitised Theresa May. If Foot had stood in 2017 he'd have romped home.

Would that be the same Michael Foot who wore donkey jackets and was in the pay of the KGB? He always got a reasonable response from Labour’s right wing and all the media barons.

 

[CNT36]

Yet another post hopelessly conflating not being a grumpy cunt who can't constructively debate with people whose views he opposes, with some other thing entirely. You'd don't have to be "one of the lads" to be an effective politician.

You're right but no need to be a grumpy cunt about it. Lets have some examples of this overwhelming grumpiness but also the electorates dislike of grumpiness in general and Corbyn's in particular.

 

[platinumsage]

Would that be the same Michael Foot who wore donkey jackets and was in the pay of the KGB? He always got a reasonable response from Labour’s right wing and all the media barons.

I'm sure he would have adapted to the times.

 

[Pickman's model]

I wouldn't exactly compare a post-Falklands Thatcher to a Brexitised Theresa May. If Foot had stood in 2017 he'd have romped home.

If foot had stood in '17 he'd have banged his head on the coffin lid.

 

[belboid]

I was asking for content

no you weren't, you were making a statement. Stop making things up.

 

[platinumsage]

no you weren't, you were making a statement. Stop making things up.

Go on then, here's your opportunity to post a clip of him debating a Tory successfully through convincing argumentation, rather than by getting all cross.

 

[JimW]

Go on then, here's your opportunity to post a clip of him debating a Tory successfully through convincing argumentation, rather than by getting all cross.

It was his ability to to talk about things people wanted to hear that played a big part in the surprisingly large Labour vote his first GE outing, not sure why you're persisting with this line. It's not about gotchas with Tories in a Mrs Merton heated debate.

 

[TopCat]

Ah the date given in 2-point text that's clear to everyone at a glance.

So adding that tweet right at the bottom, suggesting that Corbyn posted after Wiley and so approved of everything Wiley said, was actually a bit dishonest wasn't it MadeInBedlam ?

The man Made in bedlam is a duplicitous cunt to be fair.

 

[Badgers]

It was his ability to to talk about things people wanted to hear

Would amend that to 'things people wanted to happen' but yes

 

[CNT36]

It was his ability to to talk about things people wanted to hear that played a big part in the surprisingly large Labour vote his first GE outing, not sure why you're persisting with this line. It's not about gotchas with Tories in a Mrs Merton heated debate.

No, it's all about debates that need to be slowly explained to us plebs who can't even be trusted to choose the "winner" and need to get the score from coked up journos.

 

[platinumsage]

It was his ability to to talk about things people wanted to hear that played a big part in the surprisingly large Labour vote his first GE outing, not sure why you're persisting with this line. It's not about gotchas with Tories in a Mrs Merton heated debate.

To win a majority he obviously needed to be able to advance his arguments to people who were to some extent unconvinced by "the things [some] people wanted to hear". He showed no willingness or ability to do that whatsoever. Repeatedly trotting out the same angry bullet points was only going to take him so far.

 

[TopCat]

Imagine if Labour's move to the left had been led by someone who wasn't such a miserable cunt as Corbyn. He managed to make Gordon Brown seem jovial while having not one ounce of the intellect of Michael Foot.

Years of an effectively unopposed Tory party and then Starmer, that's his legacy.

What a bag of shite.

 

[JimW]

To win a majority he obviously needed to be able to advance his arguments to people who were to some extent unconvinced by "the things [some] people wanted to hear". He showed no willingness or ability to do that whatsoever. Repeatedly trotting out the same angry bullet points was only going to take him so far.

But that's exactly what happened with the polling surge. Find your line on this pretty odd.

 

[TopCat]

I did no such thing, but if it matters to you so much, instead of stalking me around the forums with it disrupting other threads, when not start a new thread (permission to do a call-out thread), or use PMs?

Why not just go fuck yourself?

 

[platinumsage]

But that's exactly what happened with the polling surge. Find your line on this pretty odd.

The surge was never enough. It's easy to win over people who will readily support any left-wing leader, but to win over the additional people sufficient to actually win an election, you need to be able to convince them to move out of their comfort zone. Putting forward cogent arguments is always a good start.

But no, let's just blame the press and right-wingers in the Labour party. Eliminating both of those would have surely ensured his victory.

 

[CNT36]

Why not just go fuck yourself?

Even he is not that desperate.

 

[JimW]

The surge was never enough. It's easy to win over people who will readily support any left-wing leader, but to win over the additional people sufficient to actually win an election, you need to be able to convince them to move out of their comfort zone. Putting forward cogent arguments is always a good start.

But no, let's just blame the press and right-wingers in the Labour party. Eliminating both of those would have surely ensured his victory.

Again, the polling showed he had wide agreement if you asked policy by policy, so he had won a lot of those arguments. That's what turned out not to be enough.

 

[belboid]

Go on then, here's your opportunity to post a clip of him debating a Tory successfully through convincing argumentation, rather than by getting all cross.

Why have you written that in response to my post? Even Jeremy Corbyn would have the basic decency to admit when they had got something wrong, so why cant you?

 

[platinumsage]

Even Jeremy Corbyn would have the basic decency to admit when they had got something wrong, so why cant you?

He would? News to me.

Anyway he has got things wrong over critical national political issues, and apparently I'm wrong over whether or not I wanted people to reply to me posting clips of him debating people. Not really much equivalence there.

Again, the polling showed he had wide agreement if you asked policy by policy, so he had won a lot of those arguments. That's what turned out not to be enough.

Is this some kind of doublespeak? He failed to convince enough people to vote for him.

 

[agricola]

Is this some kind of doublespeak? He failed to convince enough people to vote for him.

He convinced more people than previous Labour leaders (including two versions of Blair) did.

His main problem was not that he couldn't convince people, its that he never came close to managing to neutralise / deal with his opponents (which harmed him in 2017 and 2019 and would have crippled any administration of his even if he had won).

 

[oryx]

right-wingers in the Labour party. Eliminating both of those would have surely ensured his victory.

You are probably unintentionally correct about this, given the shenanigans exposed in the recent leaked report.

 

[co-op]

The surge was never enough. It's easy to win over people who will readily support any left-wing leader, but to win over the additional people sufficient to actually win an election, you need to be able to convince them to move out of their comfort zone.

The surge wasn't enough but it was absolutely huge - 3.5 million extra votes, Labour's largest ever vote in England, up over 40% in just 2 years, unprecedented in the post war era. He must have been persuading some people over and above the easy wins.

 

[platinumsage]

He convinced more people than previous Labour leaders (including two versions of Blair) did.

As I said, unlike those times, the country was ripe for a left-wing government - almost anyone could have won those voters over, it took someone like Corbyn to fail to win enough for a majority.