Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[two sheds]

Tony Blair made too many contributions has he?

 

[bellaozzydog]

Tony Blair made too many contributions has he?

Him and rachel Riley have deep pockets

 

[Pickman's model]

Him and rachel Riley have deep pockets

And as many people who've gone to the pub with them have found out, short arms

It is tb's proud boast that he never bought a drink while pm. But that's because he's tight as a gnat's arse

 

[AmateurAgitator]

He should have answered the rape charges in Sweden at the time. Not made the big self defeating meal he chose to make of it over many years. The slimeball.

You should read this «A murderous system is being created before our very eyes» According to Nils Melzer of the UN, Assange did infact try coming forward regarding the 'accusations' although I believe I'm correct in saying that the accusations came solely from the Police and NOT either of the relevent women. Reading this I'm not surprised that the charges were dropped.

Just had to post this link I'm afraid, as what you posted about Assange does not seem at all accurate.

I too dislike his politics but that does not mean he should just be condemned without good reason, particularly when it could effect others being potentially condemned in a similar way and when it affects people's freedoms generally.

 

[oryx]

I come on this thread to read about Corbyn, or at least something related to him, not Assange.

Isn't there a separate thread on Assange?

 

[AmateurAgitator]

I come on this thread to read about Corbyn, or at least something related to him, not Assange.

Isn't there a separate thread on Assange?

No such thread appears when I search for it unforunately. In any case I am merely responding to inaccurate things others have already posted about Assange.

 

[danny la rouge]

No such thread appears when I search for it unforunately. In any case I am merely responding to inaccurate things others have already posted about Assange.

There are several. This is the longest: Ecuador would like Julian Assange out of their embassy by the sounds of it.

 

[rutabowa]

But what really breaks me up is, for a very short period of time, I felt that there was a chance to actually break the painfully hierarchical obsession with leadership. The idea of some absolute ruler, a king, god, emperor figure, who cannot be challenged, can never be wrong, must always and ever embody the entire hopes of a heterogenous and diverse country...or at least, that small minority which has power. Obviously, a project doomed to fail and a simplistic concept of democracy. Nope, I didn't want a 'character' or a celebrity. And, in truth, the slightly cultish 'O Jeremy Corbyn' lionisation was as disturbing to me as the celebrity status of Trump and Johnson.
And true, Corbyn has neither the aptitude nor the ruthlessness to become this sort of figure...which I sorta hoped would lead to an evolving dialogue with many voices. A politics which was based on policies, not Twitter statements or journalistic fictions. A politics which was really based on fair principles (because ordinary people had a representative voice and even a chance to be part of a politics which was not totally dictated by top-down thinking, Not brass neck and an ability to lie and not give a shit. (yes, naive, I know...)...but Corbyn's core principles - to defend the underdog - was a powerful invitation for people like me to feel that the parliamentary system was not irredeemably fucked up (I was wrong).

Nail on head

 

[rutabowa]

I had an idea. New party, john McDonnell as leader, zero tolerance on anti semitism from the kick off. BOSH

 

[rutabowa]

Somehow get AOC involved too.

 

[19force8]

I'm shocked I tell you, shocked!

That they didn't nick the furniture too:

I saw from the inside how Labour staff worked to prevent a Labour government

The work of senior Labour staffers to stop Labour winning is only just starting to come out.

www.opendemocracy.net

When I’d started previous jobs I’d arrive to some kind of handover notes. But when Corbyn and McDonnell walked in on day one, the small team that had joined after working on Corbyn’s leadership campaign turned up to find that someone had prepared for our arrival in a more unconventional way: many of the computers had gone missing and the offices weren’t properly set up.

“The few computers that were in the office were the oldest ones possible and they kept crashing all the time”, a former senior adviser to Jeremy Corbyn tells me. “The situation was so dire that one time after a day on the road with Jeremy I came back to find that a new colleague had taken my screen because he didn't have one.”

The situation in John McDonnell’s offices was even worse. “When we took up the offices they were completely gutted of their contents. There were only half pulled out staples in the walls and bits of blue tack. The desks were without chairs let alone computers and I had to work off my own mobile and laptop”, my former colleague James Mills, who was John McDonnell’s Head of Communications, remembers all too well.

 

[brogdale]

I'm shocked I tell you, shocked!

That they didn't nick the furniture too:

I saw from the inside how Labour staff worked to prevent a Labour government

The work of senior Labour staffers to stop Labour winning is only just starting to come out.

www.opendemocracy.net

Read that and thought of the words I'd read yesterday in my 1989 Vintage books (US) edition of C.L.R. James' The Black Jacobins;

The rich are only defeated when running for their lives. Inexperienced in revolution, the bourgeoisie had not purged the ministerial offices, where the royalist bureaucrats still sat plotting for the restoration of the royal power.

 

[rasputin]

Read that and thought of the words I'd read yesterday in my 1989 Vintage books (US) edition of C.L.R. James' The Black Jacobins;



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I'm shocked I tell you, shocked!

That they didn't nick the furniture too:

I saw from the inside how Labour staff worked to prevent a Labour government

The work of senior Labour staffers to stop Labour winning is only just starting to come out.

www.opendemocracy.net

In that article we find this:

"The number of extra votes in marginal seats that Labour needed in 2017 to give Corbyn a chance of being prime minister was an agonising 2,227. "

That statement, I'm afraid, is bollocks. I've seen this 2,227 number a number of times, and it refers to the number of votes that would have been needed to win sufficient additional seats to make the number of non-Tory seats in the House of Commons equal to the number of Tory seats.

So far, so accurate. But no way would it have resulted in a Corbyn-led government. It assumes that every non-Tory party in the House of Commons would have been happy to join a Corbyn-led coalition government. That's not remotely realistic, given the attitude of several of those parties, notably the Lib Dems, at the time, as well as the sizeable anti-Corbyn faction in the PLP.

 

[brogdale]

In that article we find this:

"The number of extra votes in marginal seats that Labour needed in 2017 to give Corbyn a chance of being prime minister was an agonising 2,227. "

That statement, I'm afraid, is bollocks. I've seen this 2,227 number a number of times, and it refers to the number of votes that would have been needed to win sufficient additional seats to make the number of non-Tory seats in the House of Commons equal to the number of Tory seats.

So far, so accurate. But no way would it have resulted in a Corbyn-led government. It assumes that every non-Tory party in the House of Commons would have been happy to join a Corbyn-led coalition government. That's not remotely realistic, given the attitude of several of those parties, notably the Lib Dems, at the time, as well as the sizeable anti-Corbyn faction in the PLP.

Yes, pretty thorough take-down here:
The 2017 general election: not that close after all - UK in a changing Europe

And we now know that even if Corbyn had secured some more seats, his opponents within the PLP & party bureaucracy would have done all they could to scupper any possible coalition with other parties.

 

[agricola]

Yes, pretty thorough take-down here:
The 2017 general election: not that close after all - UK in a changing Europe

And we now know that even if Corbyn had secured some more seats, his opponents within the PLP & party bureaucracy would have done all they could to scupper any possible coalition with other parties.

Indeed. To be PM, Corbyn would have had to get an absolute landslide - in fact, if Labour had come out of 2017 in a position to form a government then him not leading it would have been a condition of forming it.

 

[Cerv]

In that article we find this:

"The number of extra votes in marginal seats that Labour needed in 2017 to give Corbyn a chance of being prime minister was an agonising 2,227. "

That statement, I'm afraid, is bollocks. I've seen this 2,227 number a number of times, and it refers to the number of votes that would have been needed to win sufficient additional seats to make the number of non-Tory seats in the House of Commons equal to the number of Tory seats.

So far, so accurate. But no way would it have resulted in a Corbyn-led government. It assumes that every non-Tory party in the House of Commons would have been happy to join a Corbyn-led coalition government. That's not remotely realistic, given the attitude of several of those parties, notably the Lib Dems, at the time, as well as the sizeable anti-Corbyn faction in the PLP.

With seven more seats going to Mr Corbyn, a coalition of Labour, the Liberal Democrats, the Scottish National Party (SNP), Plaid Cymru, the Green Party and one independent MP in the House of Commons would have held 321 seats — enough to block Theresa May and for Mr Corbyn to enter No 10.

that "one independent" is Sylvia Hermon. Theresa May would be more likely to have voted for Corbyn as PM.

unless you have a time machine, then knowing after an election which were the few seats to have the smallest vote differences isn't useful.
the argument between Labour HQ staff and the Leadership office about where to target resources at, I'm willing to be didn't come down to exactly those constituencies. dubious to say you'd definitely have won those and not been offset by others lost if you'd have your way.

 

[Badgers]

What an awful man he is

 

[SpookyFrank]

What an awful man he is

He's better off out of it. The level of flak he got, just imagine if he'd actually become prime minister. So many people who would've burned the whole country to ash rather than let a reasonable man with sensible policies be in charge.

 

[killer b]

So many people who would've burned the whole country to ash

this is what actually happened tbf

 

[ska invita]

He's better off out of it. The level of flak he got, just imagine if he'd actually become prime minister. So many people who would've burned the whole country to ash rather than let a reasonable man with sensible policies be in charge.

If Corbyn had Johnsons record he'd be
The Butcher of the Care Homes
The Covid Communist, bankrupting Great Britain
SARS Stalinist: Highest Death Rate In The World
Silent on Jewish Covid Deaths

 

[Badgers]

The Daily Mail were ahead of the curve on all this Jewish issue:

 

[Pickman's model]

If Corbyn had Johnsons record he'd be
The Butcher of the Care Homes
The Covid Communist, bankrupting Great Britain
SARS Stalinist: Highest Death Rate In The World
Silent on Jewish Covid Deaths

and had Corbyn written, as Johnson has, that Hitler won at Stalingrad his ignorance would have been constantly repeated in the press

 

[gentlegreen]

It looks like we have to wait for the Tories to implode thanks to the toxic chalice they helped create in 2016 and are starting to sup on ...

 

[Pickman's model]

It looks like we have to wait for the Tories to implode thanks to the toxic chalice they helped create in 2016 and are starting to sup on ...

I bet people said much the same round the time of Suez, round the time of profumo, round the time of the three day week, the Thatcher recession of the early 1980s, the poll tax, back to basics etc ad nauseam

 

[agricola]

It looks like we have to wait for the Tories to implode thanks to the toxic chalice they helped create in 2016 and are starting to sup on ...

They aren't going to implode; like Trump's mob they are all bound together now and know they'll have to back him or they will be going to prison (or worse).

 

[killer b]

or they will be going to prison

this is fantasy. there isn't a world where any of these dudes are ever going to go to prison. who's going to send them?

 

[ska invita]

It looks like we have to wait for the Tories to implode thanks to the toxic chalice they helped create in 2016 and are starting to sup on ...

Things that might fuck em

The economy tanking hard in 2021/2022 with mass unemployment

Brexit fallout multiplying the above

Scottish independence; they'll refuse a referendum creating a possible Catalan situation on their hands.

 

[SpookyFrank]

this is what actually happened tbf

More from venality and incompetence than sheer malice though, for all the difference that makes.

 

[SpookyFrank]

this is fantasy. there isn't a world where any of these dudes are ever going to go to prison. who's going to send them?

Pickman's model and his people's sentencing tribunals.

 

[Pickman's model]

this is fantasy. there isn't a world where any of these dudes are ever going to go to prison. who's going to send them?

No one will ever send them to prison

But to the south atlantic? That's quite a different proposition