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Other than twitter is a hellsite (which politicians nevertheless are happy to use when it suits), i don’t know (genuinely) know what you want LAAS to be doing differently.

Complaints are made to Labour about antisemtism. Labour has failed to deal with these.

What *should* anti-racists be doing about racism in the Labour Party?
 
Other than twitter is a hellsite (which politicians nevertheless are happy to use when it suits), i don’t know (genuinely) know what you want LAAS to be doing differently.

Complaints are made to Labour about antisemtism. Labour has failed to deal with these.

What *should* anti-racists be doing about racism in the Labour Party?


Labours internal disciplinary machinery is well known to be dealing with a mass of AS related complaints, all of it involving trawling through endless online bollocks, all of it needing corroboration, substantive proof, interpretation etc etc so as to avoid legal backlash and the like. None of it's moving quick enough for anyone, Labs internal bureaucracy rarely does, but no one has easy solutions.

Meanwhile that ( non jewish ) piece of work from LAAS Euan Phillips is devoting his time to demanding the Beeb take ...... Michael Rosen....... off R4 for "anti semitism " - f*ck him.
 
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on a related note : v good to see Momentum HQ swerving the bureaucracy to confront blatant AS cranks directly now ( in a virtual sense - this stuff barely exists IRL ) - we hear there's a lot more of this to come ....

 
Other than twitter is a hellsite (which politicians nevertheless are happy to use when it suits), i don’t know (genuinely) know what you want LAAS to be doing differently.

Complaints are made to Labour about antisemtism. Labour has failed to deal with these.

What *should* anti-racists be doing about racism in the Labour Party?
Choose your targets. Don't throw accusations around wildly, especially when they don't even concern the person you are talking/writing to. Isolate the tiny number of actual anti-semites from those who are just being dumb, so that the bigots can be isolated.

Bother with your MP. Why would any other MP be arsed with someone random writing to them with ranting complaints and demands for action if they aren't either a party member or their constituent? Who gives a fuck what some twitter login (who may or not be real or russian, or jewish, who can tell?) Unless there is an actual connection.

As cantsin has pointed out, there are over a thousand cases being dealt with by a tiny team. Many of those facing charges have lawyered up, and so the cases proceed at a very slow pace, which is incredibly frustrating for everyone, accused, accusers and the party as a whole. But that was always part of the point for those who are plotting. Labour could spend all its cash and staff piling through those cases, but that would not only divert resources away from more important issues, it would also leave a door open to legal challenges and even more time and money wasted.

A large number of the complaints - most, imo - are either complete bollocks (like the woman accused for replacing the DWP logo with Arbeit Mach Frei) or about minor cases of daftness (like someone posting a Rothschild banker meme once). Those have no need to be referred and should be dealt with at a purely local level. For those who like to post such bollocks more regularly, they should be given training and education (not by those cunts at JLM though) into what is and isn't acceptable. Repeated behaviour thereafter should lead to suspension/expulsion.
 
Which isn’t what you claimed/ranted is it?

no idea what you mean here, genuinely

(edit : starting not to particularly care when it comes to yr interventions tbh, eg : dull little cryptic responses, with us expected to tease out some meaning.... zzzzzz ...

so, whatever....)
 
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Choose your targets. Don't throw accusations around wildly, especially when they don't even concern the person you are talking/writing to. Isolate the tiny number of actual anti-semites from those who are just being dumb, so that the bigots can be isolated.

Bother with your MP. Why would any other MP be arsed with someone random writing to them with ranting complaints and demands for action if they aren't either a party member or their constituent? Who gives a fuck what some twitter login (who may or not be real or russian, or jewish, who can tell?) Unless there is an actual connection.

As cantsin has pointed out, there are over a thousand cases being dealt with by a tiny team. Many of those facing charges have lawyered up, and so the cases proceed at a very slow pace, which is incredibly frustrating for everyone, accused, accusers and the party as a whole. But that was always part of the point for those who are plotting. Labour could spend all its cash and staff piling through those cases, but that would not only divert resources away from more important issues, it would also leave a door open to legal challenges and even more time and money wasted.

A large number of the complaints - most, imo - are either complete bollocks (like the woman accused for replacing the DWP logo with Arbeit Mach Frei) or about minor cases of daftness (like someone posting a Rothschild banker meme once). Those have no need to be referred and should be dealt with at a purely local level. For those who like to post such bollocks more regularly, they should be given training and education (not by those cunts at JLM though) into what is and isn't acceptable. Repeated behaviour thereafter should lead to suspension/expulsion.

Indeed. Strange how the previous regime was able to expel large numbers of Corbyn supporters at the drop of a hat though before the leadership vote. No due process that I'm aware of.
 
Being denied membership isn't the same as being expelled. Very different, in fact.

There were expulsions, too, largely as I recall for being members of another party.

URGENT – Rule Change to end the purging of socialists

We know there were 618 "auto-exclusions" during the 2016 leadership campaign alone. This level of exclusions is high compared to any previous period of the Party's history, including under right-wing leaderships. A number of those excluded were active Labour Party members, expressing their left-wing ideas, under Blair and Brown, and yet were not excluded then.
Those "auto-excluded" receive no notice of charges, no hearing, and no right of appeal, but only a letter from the Compliance Unit saying that they are out.
The current procedures allow for the exclusion without notice of charges, hearing, or right of appeal of anyone whom the Labour head office authorities do not like, and thus threaten all independent-minded members of the Party.
The purpose of this rule change is to end the exclusion of left wing Labour Party supporters, so that all Labour supporters that abide by Labour's rules, are entitled to join the Party.

Eta: there was a campaign to change these rules at the party conference, so perhaps they did and everyone has to have a hearing now.
 
I've lifted this from the IWCA facebook page. The chart is from the EU Agency for Fundamental Rights with 90% of European Jews surveyed stating that they feel anti-semitism has increased and asked if they had experienced it who did they perceive it where was it coming from :


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More centrist plotting

How Labour could improve its offer on mental health | LabourList

“Keeley’s response to the act is broadly representative of Labour’s approach to mental health services and treatment of late. It aligns with the core message of investing in the NHS so that patients can get access the treatment they need, and staff can deliver it at a quality expected. It focuses on material changes, and shies away from rights-based approaches to tackling injustice and delivering greater equality. Most worryingly, in this regard it is silent on one of the key promises in Labour’s 2017 manifesto: to fully implement the United Nations Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities (UN CRPD) into law.

The promise of a future Labour government to incorporate UN CRPD into law contained such promise in one single sentence. Sadly, since then, successive shadow ministers for disability and mental health have failed to elaborate on what this might entail. Unless the Labour Party aligns its calls for material changes with rights-based approaches to equality and injustice and listens more broadly to the calls of service users, the title of its disability manifesto ‘Nothing about you without you’ will begin to ring hollow.“
 
299F139C-45D2-402C-8FD4-D63F6CC49F8D.jpeg I see Williamson (who knows full well about Scott Nelson’s racism) has (yet again) boosted Nelson’s profile
 
Given that Phillips described Rosen as an ‘antisemitism denier’ (interestingly omitted from cantsins rant), wht do you need me to explain it?
 
But Rosen is Jewish. And never before has any Jewish person/person with a Jewish background had a problematic attitude to antisemitism.

IDPol eh?
 
Given that Phillips described Rosen as an ‘antisemitism denier’ (interestingly omitted from cantsins rant), wht do you need me to explain it?
What does that have to do with your comment yesterday? It doesn't change the fact that Philips is calling for a ban on Rosen, does it? So cantsin's (brief and calmly made) point was entirely well founded.

What do you think Philips was doing other than calling Rosen to be banned from the BBC, over antisemitism?
 
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