Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Shechemite]

Still waiting, MadeInBedlam

For what?

 

[belboid]

For what?

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That wasn't a response, that was you avoiding explaining your nonsensical comment, amidst your usual 'rants'

 

[Shechemite]

That wasn't a response, that was you avoiding explaining your nonsensical comment, amidst your usual 'rants'

Sure

 

[belboid]

Sure

What did/do you think Philips meant then? It shouldn't take you long to explain.

 

[Shechemite]

I’ve already said what I think his allegation was (curiously cantsin chose to omit that from his calm post).

I don’t think no platforming is warranted in Rosen’s case, but forgive me if I don’t join in with the defence of wealthy Trot luvvies

 

[Shechemite]

And as we’re here, any thoughts on Sheridan, or on Yvonne Ridley speaking at (of all things) a Holocaust Memorial event?

 

[belboid]

I’ve already said what I think his allegation was (curiously cantsin chose to omit that from his calm post).

I don’t think no platforming is warranted in Rosen’s case, but forgive me if I don’t join in with the defence of wealthy Trot luvvies

so now you do agree that he was calling for no platform for Rosen over anti-semitism. Something you denied before. Good of you to change your mind.

 

[belboid]

And as we’re here, any thoughts on Sheridan, or on Yvonne Ridley speaking at (of all things) a Holocaust Memorial event?

Does anyone on the planet give a fuck about Yvonne Ridley?

But, no, I have no interest in dancing with a useful fool like you.

 

[Shechemite]

so now you do agree that he was calling for no platform for Rosen over anti-semitism. Something you denied before. Good of you to change your mind.

Remind me where I denied this?

 

[Shechemite]

And as we’re here, any thoughts on Sheridan, or on Yvonne Ridley speaking at (of all things) a Holocaust Memorial event?

Does anyone on the planet give a fuck about Yvonne Ridley?.

Quite

 

[belboid]

Remind me where I denied this?

here

At least make your rants accurate

 

[Shechemite]

here

Pathetic.

 

[belboid]

What was inaccurate about his post? You're doing very badly here.

 

[Shechemite]

What was inaccurate about his post? You're doing very badly here.

Says the chap who doesn’t ‘give a fuck’ about labour MPs speaking at (and not challenging) racists at a HMD event?

As explained (many posts ago), the inaccuracy was choosing to omit Phillips actual allegation.

 

[Shechemite]

 

[Shechemite]

Phillips didn’t call for Rosen to be no platformed for antisemtism did he belboid?

 

[belboid]

Phillips didn’t call for Rosen to be no platformed for antisemtism did he belboid?

Yes.

Fuck me, you're confused.

 

[Badgers]

What was inaccurate about his post? You're doing very badly here.

It is a shame how BrexShit, the tories and a biased media have made people totally unopen to facts or reasonable discussion isn't it?

This anti Corbyn rhetoric goes on and on and on. Whilst other politicians massive failings and endless proven lies go unaswered.

 

[belboid]

Aye, Viktor Orban gets feted around the world, but the biggest anti-semites are some oddjobs in the Labour Party. It's tragic.

 

[Badgers]

Aye, Viktor Orban gets feted around the world, but the biggest anti-semites are some oddjobs in the Labour Party. It's tragic.

Bongo Bongo land = just a bit of fun

Caring about Palestinians = War crime

 

[teqniq]

And the numerous pic of tories in nazi uniforms whilst the calls for them to institute an enquiry into Islamophobia within their party still go unanswered.

 

[danny la rouge]

Anti-Semitism row former MP reinstated

‘Misguided. Overeaction. Attempts to undermine the leadership. Always thought the Jews were a great bunch’

Ex-MP Jim Sheridan has Labour party suspension lifted following anti-semitism probe

Completely toothless.

“The Jews. Great bunch of lads”.

Ffs

 

[Shechemite]

“my accusers were misguided and overreacted to what was intended to highlight my personal frustration and criticism of those intent on undermining our leadership in Scotland and the UK.”

It’s the complainants fault. Obvs.

And who ‘gives a fuck’ about MPs and Councillors sharing a platform (to commemorate the Holocaust no less) with Yvonne fucking Ridley

 

[Shechemite]

Alan ‘cry antisemtism/harp back to the Holocaust to curry favour/Rothschild Zionists’ Myers now Vice-Chair of his CLP it seems

 

[Shechemite]

More centrist plotting

How Labour could improve its offer on mental health | LabourList

“Keeley’s response to the act is broadly representative of Labour’s approach to mental health services and treatment of late. It aligns with the core message of investing in the NHS so that patients can get access the treatment they need, and staff can deliver it at a quality expected. It focuses on material changes, and shies away from rights-based approaches to tackling injustice and delivering greater equality. Most worryingly, in this regard it is silent on one of the key promises in Labour’s 2017 manifesto: to fully implement the United Nations Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities (UN CRPD) into law.

The promise of a future Labour government to incorporate UN CRPD into law contained such promise in one single sentence. Sadly, since then, successive shadow ministers for disability and mental health have failed to elaborate on what this might entail. Unless the Labour Party aligns its calls for material changes with rights-based approaches to equality and injustice and listens more broadly to the calls of service users, the title of its disability manifesto ‘Nothing about you without you’ will begin to ring hollow.“

And now this nonsense:

Tracy Brabin: It’s time to make hospital grounds smoke-free

Pulled apart here:

Thread by @Sectioned_: "MP @TracyBrabin is speaking in Parliament on her proposal to make it illegal to smoke on NHS premises. I wonder if she's taken time to speak […]" #mentalhealth #smokefree

 

[brogdale]

Not easy to see what Corbyn will have ended up with after his 'talks' with May regarding the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement.

I suppose, if May is compelled to actually include something about 'workers' rights', he'll be able to point to that...but if she does do that it'll be a measure of how she's desperate to draw substantial PLP support for her agreement.

If she runs the clock down sufficiently to scare sections of the PLP into supporting her to avert 'No-Deal', Corbyn will then face the prospect of either splitting the party or dirtying his hands by joining the tory Brexit.

Not looking so clever for Corbyn atm.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Not easy to see what Corbyn will have ended up with after his 'talks' with May regarding the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement.

I suppose, if May is compelled to actually include something about 'workers' rights', he'll be able to point to that...but if she does do that it'll be a measure of how she's desperate to draw substantial PLP support for her agreement.

If she runs the clock down sufficiently to scare sections of the PLP into supporting her to avert 'No-Deal', Corbyn will then face the prospect of either splitting the party or dirtying his hands by joining the tory Brexit.

Not looking so clever for Corbyn atm.

So what would you do? Refuse to talk to her?

Labour is subject to the tensions between a middle class activist base and growing metropolitan support that want a 2nd referendum and its old heartlands where its support is weakening but where it expects the Party to respect the mandate of the referendum.

The main failure isn't to talk or not to May it's a collective failure to outline a compelling way forward on the EU single market which is directly counterposed to the ruling class spat over Brexit and to get out of parliament and build popular support for it. The increasing bind on Corbyn is the chickens coming home to roost. Labour faces two shit options because it has failed to develop one of its own. Starmer's lame approach of not having an approach was always likely to end here.

 

[brogdale]

So what would you do? Refuse to talk to her?

Labour is subject to the tensions between a middle class activist base and growing metropolitan support that want a 2nd referendum and its old heartlands where its support is weakening but where it expects the Party to respect the mandate of the referendum.

The main failure isn't to talk or not to May it's a collective failure to outline a compelling way forward on the EU single market which is directly counterposed to the ruling class spat over Brexit and to get out of parliament and build popular support for it. The increasing bind on Corbyn is the chickens coming home to roost. Labour faces two shit options because it has failed to develop one of its own. Starmer's lame approach of not having an approach was always likely to end here.

Me?
Thankfully I'm not someone who presumes to govern their fellow man...so let's not get involved in such fanciful speculation, eh?

Largely agree with the rest of what you say; I'm increasingly thinking that their 'strategy' doesn't got far beyond letting the tories fuck up and then riding the (post-Brexit) wave of anti-tory blame. Other than not actually committing to anything substantial and keeping their hands clean, I can't see anything coherent.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Me?
Thankfully I'm not someone who presumes to govern their fellow man...so let's not get involved in such fanciful speculation, eh?

Largely agree with the rest of what you say; I'm increasingly thinking that their 'strategy' doesn't got far beyond letting the tories fuck up and then riding the (post-Brexit) wave of anti-tory blame. Other than not actually committing to anything substantial and keeping their hands clean, I can't see anything coherent.

You've summed up the totality of the Starmer plan. Is was and is a shit one. For all of their rhetoric the labour left have bet the house on a Blairite strategy.

 

[Wilf]

Not easy to see what Corbyn will have ended up with after his 'talks' with May regarding the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement.

I suppose, if May is compelled to actually include something about 'workers' rights', he'll be able to point to that...but if she does do that it'll be a measure of how she's desperate to draw substantial PLP support for her agreement.

If she runs the clock down sufficiently to scare sections of the PLP into supporting her to avert 'No-Deal', Corbyn will then face the prospect of either splitting the party or dirtying his hands by joining the tory Brexit.

Not looking so clever for Corbyn atm.

Agree with this and Smokeandsteam 's:

So what would you do? Refuse to talk to her?

Labour is subject to the tensions between a middle class activist base and growing metropolitan support that want a 2nd referendum and its old heartlands where its support is weakening but where it expects the Party to respect the mandate of the referendum.

The main failure isn't to talk or not to May it's a collective failure to outline a compelling way forward on the EU single market which is directly counterposed to the ruling class spat over Brexit and to get out of parliament and build popular support for it. The increasing bind on Corbyn is the chickens coming home to roost. Labour faces two shit options because it has failed to develop one of its own. Starmer's lame approach of not having an approach was always likely to end here.

A few months ago I was arguing on here that sticking to the 6 tests and not much more was a hopeless approach (against some on here). What were voters to make of that? That Labour had nothing to say, weren't willing to be involved. Now Labour's 'let May fuck it up' cunning plan has run out of road, he's finally come to the point of offering Labour support in exchange for workers rights and single market. After last night, he's chosen to do that at the moment of May's (relative and temporary) strength. If you want to play this largely as a parliamentary game, devoid of any kind of class politics, he's played in badly.

But then all of this is a consequence of what Labour is. It's exactly the class base of the membership vs many of the voters. But it's also a social democratic approach that can only see the party as representatives of the working class (and not that, 'working people'). Hasn't sought to involve/mobilise/organise, because he can't conceive of that. And that's the point way beyond Brexit.