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[belboid]

Eh? Neither I nor those tweets from LAAS (‘right wing toss’) accussed PS of antisemtism.

Has PS said anything about Williamson?

of course it does. Why else would they attack her? They are attacking her, aren't they? What were the 'inconvenient truths' you want highlighting? what has PS done to make her worthy of this attack?

Basic questions you should have an answer to.

Do you think the approach (minimising scope of AS in labour, seeking to defend/deflect from examples of AS conduct, looking for reasons not to take seriously those who raise complaints about AS) is helping to achieve either of these two aims belboid ?

When you have shown why PS is facing such criticisms, why she is meant to be anti-semitic, then I may answer you. I'll be waiting.

 

[Shechemite]

of course it does. Why else would they attack her? They are attacking her, aren't they? What were the 'inconvenient truths' you want highlighting? what has PS done to make her worthy of this attack?

Basic questions you should have an answer to.


When you have shown why PS is facing such criticisms, why she is meant to be anti-semitic, then I may answer you. I'll be waiting.

Er they explicitly ‘attacked her’ (odd choice of words that) over her *inaction*. What has she done over, for example, Williamson’s repeated support for racists?

You’re happy to read meaning into the statements and motives of Jews who oppose anti-Jewish racism. What meaning do you ascribe to Williamson’s *repeated* support for antisemites? (Other than ‘genuine mistake guv’/unfair attacks by right-wing trolls).

 

[belboid]

Er they explicitly ‘attacked her’ (odd choice of words that) over her *inaction*. What has she done over, for example, Williamson’s repeated support for racists?

You’re happy to read meaning into the statements and motives of Jews who oppose anti-Jewish racism. What meaning do you ascribe to Williamson’s *repeated* support for antisemites? (Other than ‘genuine mistake guv’/unfair attacks by right-wing trolls).

It's not an odd choice. They made the deliberate choice to target her. Why? Why her? Umpteen people haven't said anything about Williamson, why single her out? I genuinely have no idea.

Why are you repeating the tweets of an obscure sect, unless you are a supporter of their methodology?

And fuck off with your smear tactics.

 

[Shechemite]

It's not an odd choice. They made the deliberate choice to target her. Why? Why her? Umpteen people haven't said anything about Williamson, why single her out? I genuinely have no idea.

Why are you repeating the tweets of an obscure sect, unless you are a supporter of their methodology?

And fuck off with your smear tactics.

Er they were commenting on labour MPs who signed the HET commemoration (including Sherrif). They then commented on the fact that she blocked them afterwards.

 

[Shechemite]

“Smear tactics”

 

[Shechemite]

It's not an odd choice. They made the deliberate choice to target her. Why? Why her? Umpteen people haven't said anything about Williamson, why single her out? I genuinely have no idea.

Why are you repeating the tweets of an obscure sect, unless you are a supporter of their methodology?

And fuck off with your smear tactics.

Maybe because I’m not keen on racism (including anti-Jewish racism). But obviously there must be some other motive for me to do that.

And you talk about ‘smear tactics’.

 

[killer b]

Blocking people who attack you on twitter is fine, it's a total non-story about fuck all.

 

[killer b]

I mean, come on. I've no problem recognising there's a big problem with antisemitism on the left and a big problem with people on the left recognising it, but this kind of bollocks just muddies the water and makes it easier for the racists to claim it's all smears.

 

[Shechemite]

And the hypocrisy of publcising your attendance at an HET event whilst supporting antisemites and/or not publicly challenging those who do? Is that also a non-story?

 

[belboid]

Maybe because I’m not keen on racism (including anti-Jewish racism). But obviously there must be some other motive for me to do that.

And you talk about ‘smear tactics’.

Because you, like they, are trying it imply something without saying it. And you know you both are.

Why did they single out Sheriff? It is untrue to say she has said/done nothing about AS other than sign that motion, so why have they?

 

[belboid]

And the hypocrisy of publcising your attendance at an HET event whilst supporting antisemites and/or not publicly challenging those who do? Is that also a non-story?

Point out where this support was.

 

[Shechemite]

I mean, come on. I've no problem recognising there's a big problem with antisemitism on the left and a big problem with people on the left recognising it, but this kind of bollocks just muddies the water and makes it easier for the racists to claim it's all smears.

Whatever ones take on the significance of the blocking (anyone can block whoever they like), given the the support for antisemites (and/or the failure to condemn those support antisemites), blocking those who raise this is unlikely to receive a positive response.

 

[Shechemite]

Point out where this support was.

Williamson’s support for Nelson, Atzmon and Wilkes? You want me to ‘point this out’

Sheriff wasn’t ‘singled out’. Where did you get this idea from?

 

[killer b]

And the hypocrisy of publcising your attendance at an HET event whilst supporting antisemites and/or not publicly challenging those who do? Is that also a non-story?

I've no idea what action this MP takes on Antisemitism, but just because she doesn't shriek about it on twitter doesn't mean anything. Why would anyone bother with that shit?

 

[Shechemite]

I've no idea what action this MP takes on Antisemitism, but just because she doesn't shriek about it on twitter doesn't mean anything. Why would anyone bother with that shit?

She doesn’t need to ‘shriek about it on twitter ‘ (although she is happy use twitter to demonstrate she’s not ok with the Holocaust, and it’s a curious idea that social media isn’t part of public discourse); the Labour Party is welcome to use other means to tackle antisemtism and supporters of antisemites.

What has the Labour Party done about Williamson?

 

[belboid]

Williamson’s support for Nelson, Atzmon and Wilkes? You want me to ‘point this out’

Sheriff wasn’t ‘singled out’. Where did you get this idea from?

the one link you considered important enough to post. Okay, so it was YOU singling her out. But that's still not really a better look, is it? Repeating false claims never is.

 

[Shechemite]

the one link you considered important enough to post. Okay, so it was YOU singling her out. But that's still not really a better look, is it? Repeating false claims never is.

Because it came up and it’s relevant to a thread about Corbyn. Do you want me to post up everything I come across about antisemitism and the Labour Party?

 

[belboid]

Because it came up and it’s relevant to a thread about Corbyn. Do you want me to post up everything I come across about antisemitism and the Labour Party?

Why did you think this particular tweet was important?

See, this is how witch-hunts work. The drip drip of insinuation. Fuck all real evidence, so it is guilty by association, or, in this case, by non-dissociation. It's pretty shoddy stuff. I mean, a quick search of your posts indicates you have never said anything in support of Palestinian rights, should I take that to mean you don't think they should have any? Or that you are completely oblivious to their cause?

(I dont think either thing, by the way)

 

[Shechemite]

Why did you think this particular tweet was important?

See, this is how witch-hunts work. The drip drip of insinuation. Fuck all real evidence, so it is guilty by association, or, in this case, by non-dissociation. It's pretty shoddy stuff. I mean, a quick search of your posts indicates you have never said anything in support of Palestinian rights, should I take that to mean you don't think they should have any? Or that you are completely oblivious to their cause?

(I dont think either thing, by the way)

Interesting equivalence you’re making there: alleging inaction by a parliamentary politician over racism in a political party, and alleging that those who complain about antisemtism are uninterested in the rights of Palestinians.

I’m a Jew in Britain. I am not responsible for the criminal acts of the State of Israel.

Senior members of the Labour Party have a responsibility to challenge racism within said Party.

 

[belboid]

Interesting equivalence you’re making there: alleging inaction by a parliamentary politician over racism in a political party, and alleging that those who complain about antisemtism are uninterested in the rights of Palestinians.

That wasn't my complaint. Please don't deliberately misrepresent me.

 

[Shechemite]

That wasn't my complaint. Please don't deliberately misrepresent me.

Oh for fucks sake I don’t believe you’re this thick.

You drew an equivalence (both examples of ‘witch hunts). They aren’t equivalent.

This isn’t the first time you’ve misrepresented what I’ve said (see your response to my comments about Sivier etc targeting disabled people/those reliant on the DWP).

 

[Shechemite]

Of course there *are* problems with liberal anti-racism, just as the faux anti-racism of communalists (Jewish or otherwise) is repulsive.

Attacking those who campaign against racism (whilst seeking to minimise racism) isn’t a good look.

 

[killer b]

She doesn’t need to ‘shriek about it on twitter ‘ (although she is happy use twitter to demonstrate she’s not ok with the Holocaust, and it’s a curious idea that social media isn’t part of public discourse); the Labour Party is welcome to use other means to tackle antisemtism and supporters of antisemites.

What has the Labour Party done about Williamson?

social media is totally part of the discourse, but the discourse on antisemitism in Labour on twitter right now is totally poisonous: tweeting disapproval about the holocaust is one thing. Tweeting attacks against members of your own party is quite another, and it's totally understandable that someone might choose not to engage in that way on twitter. You know what happens when you do.

 

[Shechemite]

social media is totally part of the discourse, but the discourse on antisemitism in Labour on twitter right now is totally poisonous: tweeting disapproval about the holocaust is one thing. Tweeting attacks against members of your own party is quite another, and it's totally understandable that someone might choose not to engage in that way on twitter. You know what happens when you do.

There are other methods of publically challenging those who support racists.

This isn’t going to go away. The Labour/Left approach to AS in Labour/the left has failed to either oppose AS, give Jews convince that antisemtism is being dealt with, or indeed improve Labours PR on this (not that the third issue should matter).

The ball is in the Labour Party’s court.

 

[killer b]

The Labour/Left approach to AS in Labour/the left has failed to either oppose AS, give Jews convince that antisemtism is being dealt with, or indeed improve Labours PR on this (not that the third issue should matter).

I more or less agree with this. I don't think organising twitter pile-on on members who haven't been sufficiently performative in their disapproval and then crying foul when they choose not to engage with the pile-on is a very effective way of moving things on though.

 

[Shechemite]

I more or less agree with this. I don't think organising twitter pile-on on members who haven't been sufficiently performative in their disapproval and then crying foul when they choose not to engage with the pile-on is a very effective way of moving things on though.

That’s not what happened is it?

 

[killer b]

That’s not what happened is it?

what happened then?

 

[Shechemite]

what happened then?

1) the LAAS comments (about Sheriff) I shared weren’t regarding simply a member of the LP, but an MP (and as such a senior figure within that party)

2) they didn’t organise a pile on

 

[Shechemite]

Unless you mean a ‘pile-on’ about someone other than Sherrif? (Genuinely not sure who you mean as the object of this apparent organised pile on)

 

[killer b]

1) the LAAS comments I shared weren’t regarding simply a member of the LP, but an MP (and as such a senior figure within that party)

2) they didn’t organise a pile on

They might not have organised it - someone did though, and they joined in. Difficult to tell exactly what happened 'cause she's blocked and/or deleted a lot, but her mentions are still a hot mess of people yelling at her about antisemitism, ever since she posted that pic of herself signing the holocaust book of commitment the other day.

I'd be blocking and deleting anyone who tweeted those huge screenshot tweets of stuff random Labour members said in 2014 at me too.