butchersapron
Bring back hanging
In 2017 labour voters and those aged 18-24. The general figure is likely to be different.
Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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Crispy
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Well of course. I thought this was semi-serious lighthearted thread?
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Yet if they wanted the threat of no deal to be taken seriously by MPs (and by the EU negotiators too) they might have done a better job of it, by for example not awarding a contract to a shipping company with no ferries, or competently carrying out a lorry parking exercise. The hopeless pricks.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No deal doesn't have to be executed efficiently to be a real threat. In fact, incompetence might make it even more potent. The thing with no Dean is that no one needs to argue for it, to support it, for it to happen. That's why it's different from Syria and their empty threats to leave the euro. For all their technocratic intelligence and exit door blocking they left a really outcome written into article 50.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
How about the lot are put against a wall and shot and we start again instead?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Wouldn't the support be going to the Greens/LD's etc if it was Brexit related?
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
well - if my proposal fails to resolve the crises i think all other options should remain on the table.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
it's leader approval ratings, not voting intention.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
So why is May's going up if it's Brexit related?
On chart 1, probably because some of the Labour vote in 2017 were pro-brexit. It isn't going up outside the MOE for the 18-24 group - the movement on the tory line is just noise.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I agree about much of this being noise, that all of these polls are conflating party loyalties, brexit and specific leader approvals etc. Same time, it's fair to say Corbyn hasn't done a great deal to raise his profile, show that he has a distinctive agenda and the like. Impossible to have a real sense of where politics will be in 12 months, after the next election etc. Same time, I've not heard many people saying things like 'did you hear what Corbyn said on brexit... really showed May up... made a lot of sense'.
Labour have regular distinctive policy announcements, Corbyn travels the country non-stop to try and raise his profile. It's difficult to imagine what more he could be doing tbf.
The people who are quoted in the pub as talking sense on brexit are those who are advocating strongly for remain or leave IME. That's why he's not one of them.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I def think that aside from just simply winning a general election and being prime minister corbyn would be well served by jumping into transparent tory traps.
there's a good line in this pretty good piece this morning from Tom Hamilton, an ex Tom Watson aide (he hates Corbyn fwiw)
If you want to know what a party’s biggest weakness is, look at what its opponents say about it; and if you want to know what a party should avoid doing, look at what its opponents want it to do. For months now, the Conservatives have been repeating the claim that Labour wants a second referendum – even though this is categorically untrue. That helps to explain why Corbyn has been so reluctant to back a so-called People’s Vote.
If you want to know what a party’s biggest weakness is, look at what its opponents say about it; and if you want to know what a party should avoid doing, look at what its opponents want it to do. For months now, the Conservatives have been repeating the claim that Labour wants a second referendum – even though this is categorically untrue. That helps to explain why Corbyn has been so reluctant to back a so-called People’s Vote.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
TBF that graph should really include the pre-Election polling as well - I am sure he was consistently worse than May before it was called and then his ratings spiked once a (slightly) fairer media landscale emerged.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Who could blame her?
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
People who aren’t apologists for racism
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
lol.
LAS are a miniscule grouplet, who like to troll people. They haven't provided anything to say PS supports any kind of anti-semitism, other than blocking them. Can you? Or are you just trolling too?
PS is, btw, a parliamentary member of the Antisemitism Policy Trust (chaired by renowned antisemite John Mann), so they're not even right when they say she has done nothing other than that one tweet.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Do you honestly believe this approach is effective at
1) improving the PR over Labour antisemtism
2) tackling antisemitsm (in and outside the Labour Party)
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
No I don’t think LAAS’s approach is effective.
Now, do you have ANY evidence as to Paula Sheriffs supposed antisemitism? If so, post away. If not, why are you blindly repeating right wing toss?
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
If only Corbyn had gone along to those talks last week which as it transpires this week were a complete waste of fucking time.
If the Lib Dems have taught us anything it's that collaborating with the Tories is key to electoral success.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Eh? Neither I nor those tweets from LAAS (‘right wing toss’) accussed PS of antisemtism.
Has PS said anything about Williamson?
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Do you think the approach (minimising scope of AS in labour, seeking to defend/deflect from examples of AS conduct, looking for reasons not to take seriously those who raise complaints about AS) is helping to achieve either of these two aims belboid ?
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