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Jeremy must be breathing a huge sigh of reliefFuck me, 19 votes, just 19
Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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Extracts from Tom Watson speech Brexit: May's government defeats no-confidence motion by 325 to 306 votes – Politics live
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Corbyn’s decision not to talk to May - unless ‘no deal’ is ruled out - is stupid. Either May rejects his/the LP negotiating strategy and is back in a hole or the LP strategy effectively becomes the strategy.
Plus who rules out options before going into a negotiation?
Plus who rules out options before going into a negotiation?
agricola
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Corbyn’s decision not to talk to May - unless ‘no deal’ is ruled out - is stupid. Either May rejects his/the LP negotiating strategy and is back in a hole or the LP strategy effectively becomes the strategy.
Plus who rules out options before going into a negotiation?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Fair point, and I will rephrase:
nobody with a brain or the slightest levels of political competence, rules options open to them out before going into negotiations
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Corbyn’s decision not to talk to May - unless ‘no deal’ is ruled out - is stupid. Either May rejects his/the LP negotiating strategy and is back in a hole or the LP strategy effectively becomes the strategy.
Plus who rules out options before going into a negotiation?
You can rule out stupid ones of no consequence, particularly when it is utterly obvious to the EU we don’t want it to happen.
Parliament is against a no deal, EU citizens worry about their status, businesses on hold. Suddenly every amateur is a negotiation expert. The right thing to do is give some assurance.
May won’t do this because she has no intention of considering options other than her deal, tweaked slightly. As it is unpopular only leverage over Parliament can get it over the line which is shitty. Corbyn is right not to be played.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Precisely. It’s a clunking attempt to further the rift within the Tory ranks.
VONC is dead as a tactic so the options for Corbyn are narrowing too. This is a tactical error because it moves labour closer to a 2nd red call which will shatter the Corby coalition
VONC is dead as a tactic so the options for Corbyn are narrowing too. This is a tactical error because it moves labour closer to a 2nd red call which will shatter the Corby coalition
Raheem
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Second para is right, but Corbyn is asking her to rule out no deal purely because he rightly doesn't want to be drawn into a process that is set up to fail just so that he can share the blame.
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Starry Wisdom
A little bit isis there
19force8
For the avoidance of faith
Except this morning we learn Hammond has been contacting "business leaders" telling them no deal will be off the table.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
19force8
For the avoidance of faith
Sorry, I was trying to get around the paywall. Will this do?Are we sure it wasn't the other way round?
mojo pixy
interesting times
God damn me and my fail prognostiation. No wait, I said May, and this is Hammond.
But seriously, she's given it to him so she can disown it later, no doubt.
EtA, that article / leaked call says 'MPs will reject No Deal', not that it's off the table. So yeah.
19force8
For the avoidance of faith
Also, a bit of "interpretation" on my part I'm afraid.
No deal could still be "on the table" even though it will never happen because MPs.
BTW I've been trying to find that little poem about corruption and what MPs will do free of charge. Ogden Nash maybe?
No deal could still be "on the table" even though it will never happen because MPs.
BTW I've been trying to find that little poem about corruption and what MPs will do free of charge. Ogden Nash maybe?
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Sadly I can't read the full transcript.
But my point was a tongue in cheek one regarding the pressure that large sections of capital are going to be putting on the Tories to make sure "no deal" doesn't happen.
That pressure from their bosses may be impossible for the Tories to ignore....
...of course some sections of capital might actually welcome the opportunity that a "no deal" will bring them.
I don't know enough about about them to say for sure where the balance of forces lies.
19force8
For the avoidance of faith
I got the point and was looking to see if he was responding to comments from them or just offered it up before they told him.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
may is holding onto "no deal" cos its the only card she can play. She wants to keep pushing her deal as the only alternative in the hope that when it gets close to march 29th parliament will be blackmailed into supporting it. And this is why corbyn is pushing for it to be taken off the table.
Cant see Mays tactic working - but im am certain she will stick to it - she is as stubborn as she is deluded. I guess the question is how long those in her own party who are utterly opposed to no deal will stick with it.
Its utterly shabby politics and has nothing to do with resolving the utter clusterfuck and everything to do with her own survival.
Cant see Mays tactic working - but im am certain she will stick to it - she is as stubborn as she is deluded. I guess the question is how long those in her own party who are utterly opposed to no deal will stick with it.
Its utterly shabby politics and has nothing to do with resolving the utter clusterfuck and everything to do with her own survival.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
the whole political system is in meltdown and parliament is now a pressure cooker of competing factions and all discipline has broken down.
What they need to do is for all mps to come together in government of national pile on where all the different factions have a massive full on pagga in the national interest -
Rees mogg putting up his fists queensbury rules style whilst his butler holds his coat, john mc donald headbutting chuka umuana, anna sourbry twatting boris johnson with a chair, corbyn death staring tories from the roof beams, the DUP marching up and down with flutes and lambegs, the lib dems giving out leaflets, the speaker taking on ledsom with the mace, may jerking back and forwards whilst gibbering, gove hiding under a chair...
What they need to do is for all mps to come together in government of national pile on where all the different factions have a massive full on pagga in the national interest -
Rees mogg putting up his fists queensbury rules style whilst his butler holds his coat, john mc donald headbutting chuka umuana, anna sourbry twatting boris johnson with a chair, corbyn death staring tories from the roof beams, the DUP marching up and down with flutes and lambegs, the lib dems giving out leaflets, the speaker taking on ledsom with the mace, may jerking back and forwards whilst gibbering, gove hiding under a chair...
This is pretty much entirely down to Labour's brexit position I reckon. If they can get to the other side of that without being blamed for whatever bullshit goes down - which is what the position is mostly aimed at doing - then it'll pick up again.Ouch
Extrapolating these trends, I estimate that Jeremy Corbyn's Time Will Be Up around June 2020.
Voley
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We can delegate this task to just one man, surely;
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
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butchersapron
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What were his figures before the 2017 election? If they were worse and labour did as well as they did then this simply doesn't matter. He was regularly in negative ratings 2016-17. In fact, starting from his high point of the 2017 election as that chart does give a false impression of that 60%+ as the norm when it isn't - the level it's at around now seems to be perfectly normal.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
If she loses her own right wing then she's got no choice but to try and get labour's support. At which point labour have her over a barrel, or would do if Corbyn could count on the support of his own MPs.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Ouch
Extrapolating these trends, I estimate that Jeremy Corbyn's Time Will Be Up around June 2020.
Corbyn still miles ahead of May, you notice.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
Indeed, but only until June 2020, at current trends.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Current trends unlikely to continue as they are, what with one thing and another.
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