Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Sprocket.]

Why would he bother doing an interview that's guaranteed to be a hatchet job?

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. So therefore always one to be accused of navel gazing.
Stitched up on all sides.

 

[mojo pixy]

One of the main media gripes is how hard it is to get an interview / comments directly from Corbyn. Of course they'd report what he said if he said something about this.

Because the press and TV news are so trustworthy normally that I'd believe their explanation. It's his fault, of course.

 

[killer b]

Come on, any of those fuckers would give their eye teeth to do a Paxman on the guy - of course he swerves them where possible.

Also, do you really think any news org could refuse to run an interview or comment from Corbyn without it getting out?

He's not brilliant at speaking off the cuff under pressure, I think even his most ardent fan must be able to see that. So he avoids it. May does the same, for the same reason.

 

[mojo pixy]

I do agree to an extent, but I think it's not just searching out 'anything' he says, it's whether he says the right kind of thing. It could just as well be that he isn't saying what is required so rather than reporting what he does say, they report nothing at all (or get someone in to say what is required about him, which they seem happy enough with)

I'm certainly no ardent fan but it all appears quite transparent; and of course if someone equally or more left takes over from him they'll get the same treatment.

 

[Santino]

How much coverage did he get travelling on trains in the North the other day?

 

[killer b]

How much coverage did he get travelling on trains in the North the other day?

It led the lunchtime news on ITV at least, dunno about anything else.

 

[Mr Moose]

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. So therefore always one to be accused of navel gazing.
Stitched up on all sides.

Yes, but he’s still made a right balls up of this one.

 

[Peter Chadwick]

One of the main media gripes is how hard it is to get an interview / comments directly from Corbyn. Of course they'd report what he said if he said something about this.

I think the media usually refer to Labour sources , giving the Labour/ Momentum spin on things to give some balance to the anti-Corbyn or anti-anti semites criticism. Corbyn himself doesn't seem to give interviews or comments unless its to the media he seems to trust like the Guardian.

 

[Rob Ray]

I very much doubt his inner circle trusts the Guardian, and if they do more fool them.

 

[19force8]

Yes, but he’s still made a right balls up of this one.

Not convinced he did.

What's been demanded of him over the last couple of years is that he abandons any commitment to solidarity with the Palestinians and follow every post war Labour leader in unwavering support for Israel. Every time he has blocked, sidestepped or ducked the issue, the ante has gone up. Even now faced by an almost unprecedented media 'consensus' and with his own MPs screaming at him in the house he still won't surrender that last inch of ground.

On a subliminal level it may be this that's making people* think there's a chance he might just deliver some real improvement to the lives of the working class.

* by "people" I don't just mean his supporters, but also his opponents whose rage would then be understandable.

His refusal to ditch every principle except personal aggrandisement is still the best recruiting tool the party has.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

I very much doubt his inner circle trusts the Guardian, and if they do more fool them.

His Director of Communications certainly has a passing familiarity with the paper.

 

[teqniq]

Interesting.

 

[SpookyFrank]

The people who gave Kuenssberg the job know exactly what she's about. They'd rather have a loyal Tory than someone competent and that's what they've got.

 

[Whagwan]

 

[hash tag]

If you want any sort of proof that this anti semitism thing won't die very easily you should listen to "Thought For The Day" on Radio 4 this morning.
Unfortunately, I was still half asleep when it came on and can't tell you who it was and I can't find links to it. There were some very pointed remarks
in it about "leaders" of British politics

 

[TopCat]

The people who gave Kuenssberg the job know exactly what she's about. They'd rather have a loyal Tory than someone competent and that's what they've got.

She is hardly a loyal Tory given the way she steamed into May over Dementia tax during last election campaign.

 

[Mr Moose]

Not convinced he did.

What's been demanded of him over the last couple of years is that he abandons any commitment to solidarity with the Palestinians and follow every post war Labour leader in unwavering support for Israel. Every time he has blocked, sidestepped or ducked the issue, the ante has gone up. Even now faced by an almost unprecedented media 'consensus' and with his own MPs screaming at him in the house he still won't surrender that last inch of ground.

On a subliminal level it may be this that's making people* think there's a chance he might just deliver some real improvement to the lives of the working class.

* by "people" I don't just mean his supporters, but also his opponents whose rage would then be understandable.

His refusal to ditch every principle except personal aggrandisement is still the best recruiting tool the party has.

It was an utter balls up. They took a positive move (adoption of a strong code) and allowed it to be undermined by tinkering with it for no real purpose and with no wider support for doing so.

If the IHRA code has led to free speech being curtailed, where are the examples of this happening? And if there were doubts then consult. One obvious principle of any anti-racist strategy is surely to listen to the people it sets out to protect, however varied those voices are.

But it’s only one of a constellation of issues not well controlled, Jeremy’s previous, cases of AS not yet dealt with and Jeremy’s failure to convince that he is a lion on antisemitism. And it’s questionable whether this particular commitment to Palestinian issues is doing much good for anyone. It’s not allowing space to promote those concerns, too much diversion.

It’s very frustrating for these solvable problems to be amplified out of proportion to suit the agenda of enemies, but the leadership has been zero on this and Labour is stalling in the polls. Solvable problems they are, but maybe only now with a new leader.

 

[Pickman's model]

It was an utter balls up. They took a positive move (adoption of a strong code) and allowed it to be undermined by tinkering with it for no real purpose and with no wider support for doing so.

strong code? you're having a laugh. have you read it? do you know how it compares to uk equalities legislation?

do you recall margaret hodge, the paedophiles' friend, saying recently that the ihra code could be tinkered with? you don't know what you're blathering on about.

 

[DotCommunist]

survations last one had them four points ahead of the cons. They've swung up and down that much but been roughly neck and neck since the election iirc, so theres no stall here. And still we get this 'why arent they xxx points ahead?' stuff because apparently nobody remembers that time when scotland went to the SNP

 

[Whagwan]

If the IHRA code has led to free speech being curtailed, where are the examples of this happening?

Off the top of my head, Barnett council are trying to outlaw BDS using the IHRA definition.

 

[TopCat]

BDS is the target alright.

 

[Whagwan]

Also events which describe Israel as 'apartheid' in universities have been targetted using the IHRA defs.

In March, a delegation including Joan Ryan MP, chair of Labour Friends of Israel, and Matthew Offord MP of Conservative Friends of Israel petitioned Theresa May at 10 Downing Street, calling for action to prevent events on UK campuses that describe Israel as an apartheid state, citing the IHRA document as justification.

 

[andysays]

Also events which describe Israel as 'apartheid' in universities have been targetted using the IHRA defs.

What was the response to/result of the example you mention?

 

[killer b]

What was the response to/result of the example you mention?

At my local university, a Friends of Palestine event for Israel Apartheid Week was cancelled by the uni for this reason.

I don't think there can be any doubt this kind of chilling is happening tbh. Risk averse or jobsworth administrators, faced with pressure or a not-very-in-depth knowledge of the guidelines have cancelled events citing the guidelines, and are likely to do so more now.

 

[Mr Moose]

strong code? you're having a laugh. have you read it? do you know how it compares to uk equalities legislation?

do you recall margaret hodge, the paedophiles' friend, saying recently that the ihra code could be tinkered with? you don't know what you're blathering on about.

The Labour Party said numerous times it sought to adopt a ‘strong code’. If it didn’t think it was it could have consulted on how to strengthen it. But the opportunity was there to do just that. Instead it tinkered.

Try to keep up.

 

[TopCat]

The Labour Party said numerous times it sought to adopt a ‘strong code’. If it didn’t think it was it could have consulted on how to strengthen it. But the opportunity was there to do just that. Instead it tinkered.

Try to keep up.

patronising bollocks

 

[Pickman's model]

The Labour Party said numerous times it sought to adopt a ‘strong code’. If it didn’t think it was it could have consulted on how to strengthen it. But the opportunity was there to do just that. Instead it tinkered.

Try to keep up.

so you haven't read it, nor do you know how strong it is in comparison to uk equalities legislation.

 

[Pickman's model]

The Labour Party said numerous times it sought to adopt a ‘strong code’. If it didn’t think it was it could have consulted on how to strengthen it. But the opportunity was there to do just that. Instead it tinkered.

Try to keep up.

the evening standard of 6 november last reported

Top writers accuse Corbyn's Labour of 'widespread' anti-semitism

do keep up

 

[redsquirrel]

If you want any sort of proof that this anti semitism thing won't die very easily you should listen to "Thought For The Day" on Radio 4 this morning.
Unfortunately, I was still half asleep when it came on and can't tell you who it was and I can't find links to it. There were some very pointed remarks
in it about "leaders" of British politics

Yes because Though for the Day truly captures the zeitgeist of Britain, it's all people talk about.

 

[hash tag]

Here you go. Rabbi Mirvis.....
Thought for the Day - Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis - @bbcradio4 BBC Radio 4 - Thought for the Day, Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis