Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[not-bono-ever]

these deluded fools think that they are the sole reason why a seat is held or lost.a handful of personalities aside, this is madness. I have never heard of you Joan and most of your voters have no idea about what you personally stand for I would warrant

The fucking arrogance is astounding

 

[sleaterkinney]

Amazing how Corbyn's mild social-democracy has become "fringe". Like those crazy radicals Eden, MacMillian, Heath, etc

Corbyn hasn't just become fringe, he has been a fringe part of Labour for all of his life, as has the anti-Semitism stuff that's happened recently.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Oh my

Her Wikipedia is pretty telling, fucking hell

Bye bye Joan

 

[sleaterkinney]

Joan Ryan (no, me neither) whinging about losing a vote of no confidence - blaming it all on trots, communists and stalinists.
Labour 'moderate' MP loses vote of no confidence from local members

Well Iranian state tv were live tweeting it..

 

[bellaozzydog]

I see Joan Ryan is taking the loss of confidence well. lol.

My favourite twitter of the day

 

[Plumdaff]

Oh my

Her Wikipedia is pretty telling, fucking hell

Bye bye Joan

Jesus. Corrupt as fuck.

 

[treelover]

Well Iranian state tv were live tweeting it..

Iranian TV station banned in UK shows footage of Labour vote

Yes,appalling ,and shows many of the cranks who were outside the party, etc, are now inside it.

 

[redsquirrel]

Corbyn hasn't just become fringe, he has been a fringe part of Labour for all of his life, as has the anti-Semitism stuff that's happened recently.

The policies that Labour to the last election were not fringe. They were very, very mild social democracy well to the right of every government pre-Thatcher. Indeed even if all manifesto promises were implemented then you would still have considerably less of a welfare state than existed under Thatcher.

Moreover, these "fringe" policies are widely popular both in the Labour Party and society in general.

 

[mojo pixy]

if adolf hitler appeared on today
they'd clear the questions with bormann in advance

If he'd been interviewed by them in the 1930s they'd have cleared the questions with Bormann in advance too. Consistently sycophantic, at least.

 

[Pickman's model]

If he'd been interviewed by them in the 1930s they'd have cleared the questions with Bormann in advance too. Consistently sycophantic, at least.

bormann not hitler's secretary in the 30s, but the principle's true.

 

[mojo pixy]

EtA..
never mind.
now we're onto moar nazi comparisons, it just creeps up doesn't it?

ooh that corbyn.

 

[andysays]

if adolf hitler appeared on today
they'd clear the questions with bormann in advance

I thought it was 'they'd send a limousine anyway'

 

[Pickman's model]

I thought it was 'they'd send a limousine anyway'

it was

 

[killer b]

Well Iranian state tv were live tweeting it..

Press TV didn't have a film crew there, it was a members only meeting. Some prick of a LP member was sending it on to them. Slightly different (though still pretty shit)

 

[andysays]

it was

Glad we've cleared that up

 

[SpookyFrank]

these deluded fools think that they are the sole reason why a seat is held or lost.a handful of personalities aside, this is madness. I have never heard of you Joan and most of your voters have no idea about what you personally stand for I would warrant

The fucking arrogance is astounding

Our local MP was on FB trashing Corbyn days after the last GE. All the comments were locals stating clearly that they hated him and had only voted Labour because of Corbyn. If he thinks it's his magnetic personality getting him elected he's clearly never met himself.

e2a: Man's just had a vote of no confidence against him passed by a margin of 80%

 

[Gramsci]

Was Blair challenged in this interview when he said that corbyn is an "existential threat" to the labour party? Like - by stating the obvious facts like the biggest increase in vote share since 1945 and huge increase in membership?

It was more a radio piece where he went on about his views than an interview.

Full podcast here

Excerpts were on radio this morning.

I haven't listened to whole podcast yet. Though Blair is always interesting to listen to.

I think he goes further from the excerpts on radio. In his view the scenario of Brexit plus future Labour government under Corbyn is existential threat to this nation. Which must be resisted by right thinking moderate people if Corbyn gets into power. He didn't outline how.

I think in Blair's view democracy should revolve around a centre ground consensus. Anything outside of it is illegitimate.

Wherever one might think of Corbyn the reason Blair / Hodge / Chuka and the rest of them want Corbyn out is so they can go back to what Blair calls the "progressive politics" he holds.

 

[oryx]

Can't believe Blair's hypocrisy in his comments on anti-Semitism when he says he can't imagine it happening between the time he joined the Labour Party and now (in other words 'it would never have happened on my watch').

It was his own former spin doctor who in 2005 came up with the idea of a poster showing Jewish Tory leader Michael Howard as a flying pig/Fagin caricature.

Campbell fires off four-letter blast at BBC

Campbell 'behind pig poster'

 

[butchersapron]

Corbyn hasn't just become fringe, he has been a fringe part of Labour for all of his life, as has the anti-Semitism stuff that's happened recently.

Have you just woken up from 4 year slumber. How can he be fringe if he leads and leads because of the largest ever membership growth ever? I hate corbyn, i hate what he represents. To post what you did is so far from true that it must be idiocy.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Have you just woken up from 4 year slumber. How can he be fringe if he leads and leads because of the largest ever membership growth ever? I hate corbyn, i hate what he represents. To post what you did is so far from true that it must be idiocy.

He was a fringe candidate and got elected largely because 1) there no other good candidates, 2) people from the fringe joined up and voted for him.

 

[redsquirrel]

And the large increase in the Labour vote? All people from the fringe too I suppose?

BA's right. This is false, ignorant, ahistorical nonsense.

Most people in Britain want to go much further to the left economically than Labour proposed in 2017. Large majorities support renationalisation of national services.

 

[Dogsauce]

I see chuka is piping up again and getting a receptive audience at BBC news (main article this morning on the web version), accusing Corbyn of “driving centre-left MPs out of the party” (!)

In a speech to the Blairite campaign group Progress on Saturday, the former frontbencher is expected to say MPs are being targeted for standing up for zero tolerance of racism.

He will say: "My message to our leadership: it is within your power to stop this, so call off the dogs and get on with what my constituency, one of the most diverse communities in the nation, demands we do - without equivocation, fight this Tory Brexit.
"That is where all our efforts should be."
Mr Umunna will tell the BAME Voices for Progress conference that the Brexit debate has normalised hatred and that black and minority ethnic voters have "paid the price".

Let’s all go back to the ‘centre left’ non-racism of Ed’s immigration mugs and people being forcibly bundled onto planes.

 

[SpookyFrank]

'One of the most diverse constituencies in the nation'

OK, well done you, but what's your point? Where were you when Ed Milliband was barracked into telling the Eastern European communities in this country that permitting their existence here was a mistake? Where were you on this anti-semitism that was apparently festering away for decades before it became the cause celebre for blue labour, a cabal you coincidentally happen to be a figurehead for? What about immigration prisons, invented on the watch of your party?

In a strong field of cynical, unprincipled, careerist twats Umunna continues to forge ahead. In some ways I worry more about him than I do about the likes of Boris Johnson.

 

[TopCat]

Have you just woken up from 4 year slumber. How can he be fringe if he leads and leads because of the largest ever membership growth ever? I hate corbyn, i hate what he represents. To post what you did is so far from true that it must be idiocy.

Hate? Really?

 

[butchersapron]

Hate? Really?

Yep. Same with Benn but more.

 

[teqniq]

But why exactly? Genuinely curious btw.

 

[lazythursday]

Wouldn't ''despise his politics" be a better way of putting it than "hating" him, or is that me being wimpishly liberal?

 

[butchersapron]

Wouldn't ''despise his politics" be a better way of putting it than "hating" him, or is that me being wimpishly liberal?

But why exactly? Genuinely curious btw.

I hate him, his pathetic pretence of let's all just be reasonable bollocks - it grates like thatchers soft voice. I also hate his politics - not the soft domestic resulutionary socialism - that has an honourable tradition - but the red in tooth and claw disgusting anti-imperialism.

 

[teqniq]

Yeah well I too see his reasonableness as a major potential problem when coming up against the likes of Putin and Assad. That coupled with an anti-imperialism stance could turn out to be disastrous wrt to foreign policy. I wouldn't go so far as hate though, I'm prepared to cut him some slack in the hopes of getting something resembling a fairer deal for the majority of us here in the UK.

 

[butchersapron]

Yeah well I too see his reasonableness as a major potential problem when coming up against the likes of Putin and Assad. That coupled with an anti-imperialism stance could turn out to be disastrous wrt to foreign policy. I wouldn't go so far as hate though, I'm prepared to cut him some slack in the hopes of getting something resembling a fairer deal for the majority of us here in the UK.

I'm not. I'm also not prepared to allow people like this slumbserome beast sleater to just basically lie and pretend it's neutral description when they describe someone who has decisively won two internal elections, massively boosted the membership and put in an amazing series of external election performances as fringe.

If you're going to hate, hate accurately.