Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Gramsci]

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[Toast Rider]

Finnish history?

I didn't even start!

 

[Gramsci]

they can be, but they can feed off each other in an unholy vortex, and one can lead to the other.

you're unlikely to find many raging Anti-Semites who couldn't give a shit about the Israel-Palestine issue, and if you attend a couple of pro-Palestine meetings/demo's you'll hear things said which are, at the very least, off-colour.

the very cynical might point out that there are a good number of large scale displacements of people extant in the world today - Rohinja in Burma/Bangladesh, Aborigines in Australia, Armenians in Turkey, Germans from Czechoslovakia - and the only one that really penetrates the political psyche of places a long way from those displacements is the one that involves Jews. cynical perhaps, and probably a little unfair because we can see it on our TV screens, whereas the others are more hidden from us, but i do rather wonder if in 70 years the Rohinja will have been long forgotten because their oppressors fall into the 'who?' basket...

I have met people from middle East in London who come here to learn English and study. One thing that unites them is that their Palestine brothers ( this is how they say it) are still suffering from losing their homes and land in 48. Its an ongoing issue for ordinary people from that part of the world. This isn't about the left in this country. Its what ordinary people I've met from that region say to me.


So from perspective of people from that region I've met and talked to its not going to be forgotten.

 

[killer b]

Some curious stuff about the anti-corbyn protestors in that thread - claims that there's some proper far right people involved, including an ex Britain First top... the people unmasking them seem to be from that electronic intifada website though, who IIRC are pretty dodge themselves.

Too many cunts huh.

 

[Cloo]

I walked past the protest (which was very small) on my lunchbreak today. Very odd selection... some old git with a loud hailer and a poster about how Jews 'always use anti semitism', couldn't think of anything clever to say to him though. At any rate, he really wasn't helping anyone. I understand some ultra-Orthodox anti-Zionists turned up later, which is also never much help to anybody.

 

[Toast Rider]

Some curious stuff about the anti-corbyn protestors in that thread - claims that there's some proper far right people involved, including an ex Britain First top... the people unmasking them seem to be from that electronic intifada website though, who IIRC are pretty dodge themselves.

Too many cunts huh.

what's wrong with electronic intifada?

 

[Gramsci]

I walked past the protest (which was very small) on my lunchbreak today. Very odd selection... some old git with a loud hailer and a poster about how Jews 'always use anti semitism', couldn't think of anything clever to say to him though. At any rate, he really wasn't helping anyone. I understand some ultra-Orthodox anti-Zionists turned up later, which is also never much help to anybody.

I went by about half five. I also saw odd selection. But cameramen and media circus outnumbered them by big margin.

 

[killer b]

what's wrong with electronic intifada?

Last seen on this thread pushing a weird conspiracy theory (the author of that piece Asa Winstanley is also the person doing the majority of the scooby doo stuff on that twitter thread too).

 

[Wilf]

IHRA definition adopted by NEC:
Labour adopts IHRA antisemitism definition in full

 

[brogdale]

Some curious stuff about the anti-corbyn protestors in that thread - claims that there's some proper far right people involved, including an ex Britain First top... the people unmasking them seem to be from that electronic intifada website though, who IIRC are pretty dodge themselves.

Too many cunts huh.

Chap with load-hailer calling Williamson a fascist appears to be one of the participants in the BBC2 (2 part) reality doc. "We are British Jews" (part 1 was b'cast this evening).

 

[Cloo]

Oh, I didn't know about that prog. Will be interested to watch (and interested to see whether they show anyone from a community like ours, which is one most non-Jewish people really don't know about).

 

[danny la rouge]

Oh, I didn't know about that prog. Will be interested to watch (and interested to see whether they show anyone from a community like ours, which is one most non-Jewish people really don't know about).

I started a thread on it here We Are British Jews - BBC2

 

[Pickman's model]

Chap with load-hailer calling Williamson a fascist appears to be one of the participants in the BBC2 (2 part) reality doc. "We are British Jews" (part 1 was b'cast this evening).

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Reality doc? Aren't all documentaries supposed to be reality?

 

[brogdale]

Reality doc? Aren't all documentaries supposed to be reality?

Poor choice of descriptor on my part; should have said 'reality' TV programme.

 

[danny la rouge]

Reality doc? Aren't all documentaries supposed to be reality?

The format of "reality" documentaries is less reality and more artifice, but it's a recognised format now so we're whispering in a wind storm on that one.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Chap with load-hailer calling Williamson a fascist appears to be one of the participants in the BBC2 (2 part) reality doc. "We are British Jews" (part 1 was b'cast this evening).

'Balance' init

 

[danny la rouge]

'Balance' init

Which leads to the kind of exchange you get on Radio 4's Today programme: artificial, superficial polarisation masquerading as debate. Nobody learns anything, and the listener can't hear.

 

[danny la rouge]

But we should be saying this on the dedicated thread.

 

[mojo pixy]

BBC still letting anyone but JC himself chime in on air... Let everyone on Earth have their say first, I suppose that is a kind of balance.

 

[Toast Rider]

I have to say I'm worn down completely by all this (i'm not even a Labour member).

As has been said we (they) aren't even discussing issues like the abuse of the poor and the sick. It doesn't even register

 

[Toast Rider]

Chap with load-hailer calling Williamson a fascist appears to be one of the participants in the BBC2 (2 part) reality doc. "We are British Jews" (part 1 was b'cast this evening).

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I wasn't even sure he was serious, he's so angry it sounded almost fake!

Who can tell these days. I can't conceive of the mentality trequired to pick up a loud hailer and shout at people in the street

 

[brogdale]

I wasn't even sure he was serious, he's so angry it sounded almost fake!

Who can tell these days. I can't conceive of the mentality trequired to pick up a loud hailer and shout at people in the street

Assuming it was him, having seen the attitudes he expressed in the BBC "We are British Jews" (Ep.1)...the behaviour fits.

 

[danny la rouge]

Assuming it was him, having seen the attitudes he expressed in the BBC "We are British Jews" (Ep.1)...the behaviour fits.

Is it supposed to be Damon? It's too fleeting a glimpse for me to judge.

 

[danny la rouge]

Labour anti-Semitism 'caveats' criticised

"Labour Against Anti-Semitism said adding the statement appeared "to be about protecting the freedom of racists to present vile views".

A spokesman said: "There can be no caveats, no conditions and no compromises with racism."

 

[hash tag]

BBC still letting anyone but JC himself chime in on air... Let everyone on Earth have their say first, I suppose that is a kind of balance.

Are they asking him, is he offering or is he declining? He has been very quiet these last few months.

 

[mojo pixy]

Either that or nobody's broadcasting what he says. I'm assuming that as leader of HM opposition he hasn't for over a year been blanking the media including the UK's primary broadcaster, but I may be wrong.

 

[killer b]

One of the main media gripes is how hard it is to get an interview / comments directly from Corbyn. Of course they'd report what he said if he said something about this.

 

[DotCommunist]

he's been out on the road most of the summer going to places the media heads drive through at speed on their way to better places. Then less than a few weeks ago was the media lecture proposing pravdabook instead of facebook Since then its been IHRA gate

also, twitter box showed me this which I will share:




click for whole thread etc.

 

[brogdale]

Is it supposed to be Damon? It's too fleeting a glimpse for me to judge.

Yep.

 

[SpookyFrank]

One of the main media gripes is how hard it is to get an interview / comments directly from Corbyn. Of course they'd report what he said if he said something about this.

Why would he bother doing an interview that's guaranteed to be a hatchet job?