Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[4eyes]

Any last words before you're banned?

 

[krtek a houby]

Any last words before you're banned?

Probably got a few emergency backup accounts to use, yet. He'll be back before you know it.

 

[editor]

sis/cis/cissy face

You fucking twat.

 

[oryx]

I think it depends what they think they can achieve and what they'd regard as a success. Clearly they can't get within a million miles of being a genuine national party with a large block in parliament. They could potentially block a Corbyn government though or at least make it much harder to achieve even without getting near winning any seats. Is that worth it to them?

I'd guess their most optimistic view is that a handful of them might retain their seats in the most pro-remain areas. I think they're wrong but maybe some of them think it's worth a go.

Good piece from Owen Jones pretty much saying what you're saying and that a 'centrist' party is a gift to the Tory right and nothing else. Also that the potential Labour splitters like Umunna are indeed deluded.

But in a sense, that is hardly the point, because such a party will never assume power. The SDP was led by political giants known to millions of Britons, and yet it won a paltry 23 seats in 1983, merely helping to gift Thatcher a landslide. According to sources, Umunna believes the surge in his majority last year was down to his anti-Brexit stance; yet that hardly explains how uber-Brexiteer Kate Hoey’s majority dramatically increased in the neighbouring remain citadel of Vauxhall

A new centrist party is the far-right’s dream | Owen Jones

 

[teqniq]

MSM whined couldn’t get a camera into Corbyn speech. They got one – and aren’t showing it. Here it is

 

[bimble]

The latest mini-scandal is totally fine, just more smears, because he said Zionists obvs. So people who subscribe to a political view called zionism "despite having lived in this country for a very long time, probably all their lives, don’t understand English irony.” That makes sense.

 

[killer b]

While I think that's the closest thing to a smoking gun they've yet come up with, I think everyone has pretty much switched off now so I doubt it'll land.

 

[butchersapron]

Why would he engage in this pathetic smirking brinkmanship? He'll get cheered to the rafters for it by that lot BTW.

 

[hash tag]

Jees, Johnson's islamaphobia is quickly forgotten, but this just won't die!
Jewish MP 'feels unwelcome' after Corbyn comments

 

[Winot]

The latest mini-scandal is totally fine, just more smears, because he said Zionists obvs. So people who subscribe to a political view called zionism "despite having lived in this country for a very long time, probably all their lives, don’t understand English irony.” That makes sense.

Took me a while to realise your post was ironic, which probably means I’m a Zionist.

 

[andysays]

The latest mini-scandal is totally fine, just more smears, because he said Zionists obvs. So people who subscribe to a political view called zionism "despite having lived in this country for a very long time, probably all their lives, don’t understand English irony.” That makes sense.

Is this something he's said recently, or is it something from the past?

(Not that being from the past makes any less unacceptable, but if he's saying it now he's fucking stupid and loses any sympathy I might have had for being smeared and targeted for political reasons beyond the anti semitism issue)

 

[Pickman's model]

The latest mini-scandal is totally fine, just more smears, because he said Zionists obvs. So people who subscribe to a political view called zionism "despite having lived in this country for a very long time, probably all their lives, don’t understand English irony.” That makes sense.

(((english xian zionists)))

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Is this something he's said recently, or is it something from the past?

(Not that being from the past makes any less unacceptable, but if he's saying it now he's fucking stupid and loses any sympathy I might have had for being smeared and targeted for political reasons beyond the anti semitism issue)

2013

 

[andysays]

2013

Thanks

 

[bimble]

(((english xian zionists)))

Yep, those people are not properly English either, clearly, no matter if they were born here or not.
Or wait was that a joke I can't tell.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yep, those people are not properly English either, clearly, no matter if they were born here or not.
Or wait was that a joke I can't tell.

you never can

 

[Poi E]

Not these days. Not like the old days when someone would cue a joke with "'take my wife" or "how about these Pakis".

 

[SpookyFrank]

Terrific stuff from the New Statesman:

If an employer made these comments about a Jewish employee, I expect the employee would have a strong case for harassment on grounds of race. If you doubt this, try reading the above excerpt and replacing “Zionists” with “blacks” and see whether you see racism.

Well yeah, you can turn a lot of things racist if your replace a word for something that's not a race with a word for something that is.

 

[teqniq]

And this from the Graun. Never mind that you're pouring petrol on it eh? I wonder why that could be?

Corbyn 'English irony' video reignites antisemitism row

 

[agricola]

Terrific stuff from the New Statesman:



Well yeah, you can turn a lot of things racist if your replace a word for something that's not a race with a word for something that is.

As a Welsh I don't get English irony either, but surely the most appropriate parallel with "Zionist" here is "Islamist", which is also a political movement based on religion and which is often used as a screen for racism.

If Corbyn had used it in the same context you could certainly accuse him of at least sailing close to the wind, but of course you also have to acknowledge that the media (and many of those professing outrage at him) use "Islamist" in exactly that context all the time.

 

[butchersapron]

Then the context of the loons he was talking to and with. Proper fucking loons.

 

[danny la rouge]

I'll say it then: that was racist.

The stupid prick.

 

[JimW]

Yep, really smacks of him having this distinction in his own mind but swimming in those waters so long he can't see where he's drifted off to any more.

 

[danny la rouge]

Yep, really smacks of him having this distinction in his own mind but swimming in those waters so long he can't see where he's drifted off to any more.

And fuck him, frankly.

 

[cantsin]

trying to be positive for a minute, would be good to hear from those who attack Corbyn / Lab Left for their immersion in 'identity politics' , re: what they think of Corbyn actually addressing the idea of class based diversity issues re: BBC / Media ? Bit of a first this in modern mainstream political era, obviously very much overdue, and if rolled out on a wider basis, could have some sizeable implications, on many fronts.

 

[butchersapron]

I can't think of anyone attacking him/them for that.

 

[cantsin]

I can't think of anyone attacking him/them for that.

JoR IIRC

 

[butchersapron]

I don't know what that means

 

[danny la rouge]

I don't know what that means

Overground station in Glasgow. Jordanhill.

 

[butchersapron]

Unless you mean Joe on here. OK, that's a very diff attack from one that's currently in the air. I think there's a lot of mileage in the idea that there is an ongoing labour party coalition based on top-down identity politics as a class politics and the remnant of the old statsist left.