Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[DotCommunist]

that bit from the lib dem was quite telling wasn't it.

 

[killer b]

I wonder if there is an appetite for a 'centrist' party. You do read and hear stuff about it. I tend to think that any party like that is doomed because of Brexit.

I think it polls reasonably well as an idea, but there's a difference between being asked whether you think something is a good idea by Yougov, and putting your cross in the box at a general election. Everyone knows this apart from the FBPE cultists, which is why there's no new centrist party.

 

[andysays]

I may be mis-remembering, but wasn't there a change in LP rules around reselection, or maybe the threat of a change, around the time of the SDP break away?

 

[cantsin]

Stephen Bush's latest has a lot of interesting detail - I remain unconvinced of the likelihood of a split, but it's a useful peek into what the Labour right are saying to him at least.

Leaving Labour: why a party split is now inevitable

“Our best case scenario,” one Labour MP sighs, “keeps getting worse. Two years ago, we were hoping to defeat Ann Black ( for an NEC seat) . Now we’re hoping that she might squeak on.”

amidst the gloom, just .... lolz

 

[Duncan2]

Alan Dershowitz took the opportunity of an outing on this evening's channel four news to mount a spirited attack on Jezza.Its a good job Matt Frei likes cutting his interviewees off mid-flow because Dershowitz looked like a man with plenty to say.

 

[cantsin]

I think if they manage to change the rules re: deselection in September (not sure if that's actually on the cards although there's been a lot of shouting about it lately) then the likelihood of a split increases markedly. Indeed, I suspect the reason there hasn't been any significant push for it in the past - as well as previously lacking the numbers) is because of this.

the last time and onIy time i saw any direct reference to the reselection / conference vote issue from anyone presumably in the know , Lansman referred specifically to ' Trigger Ballot ++ ' being the option that will be debated / presented .

 

[Hollis]

It's an established fact even in secondary school history lessons that the trauma of the first world war was a major factor in dragging the next generation into the second.

I don't think there was much war enthusiasm in Britain, France or even Germany on the outbreak of WWII.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Corbyn mulls tech tax to fund journalism

Tax to fund indy media amongst other things ( ish) - not exactly a vote winner but hey ho

 

[Humberto]

Yeah shit left wing politicians without their votes.

Better someone with a cigarette paper from ever further right mainstream.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Bush seems to think the deselection thing is going to happen - will be interesting to see what happens.

I will have no sympathy for MPs who get deselected. But there will be a lot of nauseating outrage from the Labour right if it even passes, never mind gets activated.

Then yes, a split does become far more likely.

Interesting what Bush said about Labour's right wing being discouraged by the history of the SDP yet encouraged by En Marche in France.

I wonder if there is an appetite for a 'centrist' party. You do read and hear stuff about it. I tend to think that any party like that is doomed because of Brexit.

Given the type of people likely to be running it they will be ardently pro-Remain. In their deluded little middle class bubble they think this will be hugely popular. It won't. People have become more entrenched since the referendum and moves to remain without addressing the issues behind the Leave vote will go down like a cup of cold sick with a lot of people.

So if the potential for a 'centrist' party wasn't limited already, it's limited even more by the Brexit situation.

I think it depends what they think they can achieve and what they'd regard as a success. Clearly they can't get within a million miles of being a genuine national party with a large block in parliament. They could potentially block a Corbyn government though or at least make it much harder to achieve even without getting near winning any seats. Is that worth it to them?

I'd guess their most optimistic view is that a handful of them might retain their seats in the most pro-remain areas. I think they're wrong but maybe some of them think it's worth a go.

 

[4eyes]

I don't get how people can think its fine to openly laugh at the idea that jews (particularly European ones) might be a bit messed up because of what the nazis did to their families. Sod Hodge but if you don't see this you're missing out on a major bit of the whole story of why we are so 'oversensitive' about antisemitism, as well as why israel has turned out as fucked as it is, imo. Like frank says.

Armenians, Irish, native Americans (north), native Americans (south), West Africans, slavs (the origin of the word slave).
What's your point?
Are these people not special or important?

 

[4eyes]

Yes and once you realise this human history and politics starts to make a lot more sense, as well as the behaviour of individuals.

Many states and governments, Israel not least among them, deliberately manipulate the collective trauma of their people for political ends. This is one way that ethnic and sectarian conflicts can be prolonged on a generational timescale.

It's an established fact even in secondary school history lessons that the trauma of the first world war was a major factor in dragging the next generation into the second.

Latter point is simply not true, the 2nd world war was a development of the 1st, exacerbated by the wall street crash.
If you post up shit, I'll shoot it down.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Latter point is simply not true, the 2nd world war was a development of the 1st, exacerbated by the wall street crash.
If you post up shit, I'll shoot it down.

LOL

That's a really silly thing to post given you haven't contradicted what he said at all. Compare;

that the trauma of the first world war was a major factor in dragging the next generation into the second.

the 2nd world war was a development of the 1st, exacerbated by the wall street crash.

Read like very much the same point to me with just the a different focus...

 

[4eyes]

LOL

That's a really silly thing to post given you haven't contradicted what he said at all. Compare;




Read like very much the same point to me with just the a different focus...

You obviously have have never read/understood dialectics?
Another generation were not "dragged" into a 2nd World War!
It was utterly necessary!
So, when quantitative phenomena transform into qualitative phenomena.

 

[butchersapron]

Give it up francis. It worked with the vegetarian one, it won't work with this.

 

[Treacle Toes]

You obviously have have never read/understood dialectics?
Another generation were not "dragged" into a 2nd World War!
It was utterly necessary!
So, when quantitative phenomena transform into qualitative phenomena.

Stop trying to be 'right' and think... There is more than one way of looking at and thinking about things. Perspective is everything...I dare say there were many in the population that felt dragged into another war while those in power saw it as necessary. Both things can be true.

 

[4eyes]

Stop trying to be 'right' and think... There is more than one way of looking at and thinking about things. Perspective is everything...I dare say there were many in the population that felt dragged into another war while those in power saw it as necessary. Both things can be true.

No they cannot, that is the problem with post-modern "anarchist" (see petit-bourgeois liberal) thinkers.

 

[belboid]

No they cannot, that is the problem with post-modern "anarchist" (see petit-bourgeois liberal) thinkers.

You obviously have have never read/understood dialectics?

 

[killer b]

Armenians, Irish, native Americans (north), native Americans (south), West Africans, slavs (the origin of the word slave).
What's your point?
Are these people not special or important?

I doubt members of any of those groups would be told to shut up if they wanted to talk about the present day effects of historical oppression on them and their communities. Rightly so.

 

[butchersapron]

You obviously have have never read/understood dialectics?

It's francis lengel pretending to be a marxist after conning some people by pretending to be vegan a month back. Don't bother.

 

[4eyes]

You obviously have have never read/understood dialectics?

So, you can re-quote, would like to give your analysis, or just look like a maggot?

 

[Favelado]

Hi Francis.

 

[belboid]

So, you can re-quote, would like to give your analysis, or just look like a maggot?

My analysis is, you're still full of shit, Francis.

 

[4eyes]

It's francis lengel pretending to be a marxist after conning some people by pretending to be vegan a month back. Don't bother.

Eric Lengel

 

[Treacle Toes]

No they cannot, that is the problem with post-modern "anarchist" (see petit-bourgeois liberal) thinkers.

Okay then.

/yawn

 

[4eyes]

Okay then.

/yawn

Good analysis.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Good analysis.

Sis anal yo god.

 

[krtek a houby]

Eric Lengel

 

[4eyes]

Sis anal yo god.

sis/cis/cissy face

 

[Favelado]

Any last words before you're banned?