Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Kaka Tim]

"zionists don't understand english irony" - yeah - that did make me wince. And irony in the sense of what? "ironic" murals?

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Here's Corbyn's statement on the matter, conveniently timed for sunset on a Friday

 

[butchersapron]

The problem was with identifying a group of people as anti-english ironically in front of a crowd of anti-semites.

Look, the talk that night, it was comedy. The people it appeared with? Fuck that.

 

[Gramsci]

This article was in Evening Standard today. Its pretty hard hitting as its making clear want this is about. Criticism of Zionism / Israel makes one anti Semitic.

Worse its saying anti Zionist Jews are "self hating". I've actually seen Jews being abused by Zionist myself. in this way.

Andrew Feldman: Dear Mr Corbyn, Jews won’t feel safe until you denounce anti-Zionism

No acknowledgement that founding of Israel was by expulsion of Palestinians in article.

 

[butchersapron]

Are you in the labour party gramsci?

This is about two things surely - people using anti-semitism in the labour party to attack corbyn - and anti-semites in the labour party being used to attack corbyn.

 

[danny la rouge]

Are you in the labour party gramsci?

This is about two things surely - people using anti-semitism in the labour party to attack corbyn and ant-semites in the labour party being used to attack corbyn.

And Corbyn being really shit at dealing with either.

But that video. He knew exactly what he was saying and to whom.

 

[butchersapron]

And Corbyn being really shit at dealing with either.

But that video. He knew exactly what he was saying and to whom.

Yep, i've always known, it's why i have been so hard on what existed of the labour left - some dark dark corners that no one knew till, oddly, corbyn brought the light.

 

[hot air baboon]

Good piece from Owen Jones pretty much saying what you're saying and that a 'centrist' party is a gift to the Tory right and nothing else. Also that the potential Labour splitters like Umunna are indeed deluded.

creating a new party in the 'centre' can only make sense if it ideologically fractures the Tories aswell as Labour & it can totally co-opt / replace the LibDems. The SDP pretty much managed to do 2 but 1 was never on the agenda even with alot of the Tory 'wets' getting handbagged into bloody pulp

 

[cantsin]

The problem was with identifying a group of people as anti-english ironically in front of a crowd of anti-semites.

Look, the talk that night, it was comedy. The people it appeared with? Fuck that.

apols if already covered, but who was JC speaking to ( specifically) ?

 

[butchersapron]

apols if already covered, but who was JC speaking to ( specifically) ?

A load of 911, holocaust denial nutters

 

[agricola]

This article was in Evening Standard today. Its pretty hard hitting as its making clear want this is about. Criticism of Zionism / Israel makes one anti Semitic.

Worse its saying anti Zionist Jews are "self hating". I've actually seen Jews being abused by Zionist myself. in this way.

Andrew Feldman: Dear Mr Corbyn, Jews won’t feel safe until you denounce anti-Zionism

No acknowledgement that founding of Israel was by expulsion of Palestinians in article.

The only thing amusing about that article is how many Tory MPs expressed their total agreement with it, seemingly missing this bit:

Quietly, discreetly and extremely reluctantly, they are making their contingency plans. And this would be a tragedy. It’s not just the contribution that the community has made to our nation. It’s also a signal to the world about the state of modern Britain — the Jewish people are the canary in the coalmine. Intolerance breeds intolerance. Closed societies are failing societies.

 

[butchersapron]

It KEEPS happening.

It's not him, so what is this longstanding culture he keeps accidentally doing this in?

 

[cantsin]

A load of 911, holocaust denial nutters

ok, went and had a look - Palestine Return Centre ?

 

[butchersapron]

ok, went and had a look - Palestine Return Centre ?

What did you find on that night?

 

[xarmian]

And Corbyn being really shit at dealing with either.

But that video. He knew exactly what he was saying and to whom.

But do you know the context for what he said?

This is from Jamie Stern-Weiner, linked to by David Schneider as a different perspective to his own.

"Corbyn's joke was that the Palestinian Ambassador, a non-native, understood English irony better than his English critics. The premise of the joke was that the 'Zionists' who'd misunderstood him *were* English, not that they *weren't*."

I haven't seen anyone explain exactly what Hassassian was berated for but this is a short report of the speech in parliament from one of the 'Zionists' who attended.

 

[cantsin]

umm, " that night" ? it was tonight, 10 mins ago.... googled it, and the DM article said he was at a " Palestine Return Centre " meeting ?

 

[danny la rouge]

It KEEPS happening.

It's not him, so what is this longstanding culture he keeps accidentally doing this in?

And in his rebuttal he says he uses Zionist in the political sense. But it's the rest of what he says that's enlightening. That they're not English and don't understand English ways, even the ones born here.

 

[J Ed]

This and the mural together, paints a not very good picture.

 

[Mr Moose]

This and the mural together, paints a not very good picture.

Well it was a particularly shit mural.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

This and the mural together, paints a not very good picture.

I agree. Most of the claims of antisemitism I have found utterly unconvincing - especially the IHRA definition bollocks - but the mural and the 'zionist' comments are both indefensible.

 

[Wilf]

I'm not really sure if he's got bad judgement or bad politics (answer: it's both). A lot of this stuff is what a professional activist without responsibility would come out with - exactly what he was pre-leadership. Oh, hang on no, it's not the stuff anyone should come out with.

 

[Mr Moose]

So what now? Anyone think his time is up or do we observe the static polls and shrug it off until the next accusation emerges?

 

[billbond]

So what now? Anyone think his time is up or do we observe the static polls and shrug it off until the next accusation emerges?

His rabid nutcase followers will keep sweeping this stuff under the carpet

 

[cantsin]

So what now? Anyone think his time is up or do we observe the static polls and shrug it off until the next accusation emerges?

Most questionable juncture yet, for sure

 

[cantsin]

His rabid nutcase followers will keep sweeping this stuff under the carpet

Zzzzzzz

 

[The39thStep]

Zzzzzzz

take the second and third words out and his right imo. I'm sympathetic to his economic stuff but surely Labour can have that without the baggage of 80s ant imperialism and more of a focus on the working class?

 

[Wilf]

Most questionable juncture yet, for sure

Is this the most direct and personal bit of AS from Corbyn (as opposed to being on a platform with/not denouncing/laying wreaths type stuff)?

 

[Shechemite]

ok, went and had a look - Palestine Return Centre ?

Stephen sizer on the panel

Vicar investigated over Facebook post linking to '9/11: Israel did it' article

 

[bimble]

That statement he put out is just a doubling down, a ‘euphemism’ ffs. Better to have said nothing.

 

[billbond]

He has some support it seems, link keeps breaking
The headline anyway

Jeremy Corbyn praised by Nick Griffin and former KKK leader after 'British Zionists don't understand English irony' comments