Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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Beermoth
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Beermoth
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She's working for someone who she thinks is anti-semitic. She said this, not me. Do you think that's healthy or not?
stop asking this stupid question. Jeremy Corbyn spent 10 years working for a lying war criminal if you like. Was that healthy? (don't answer, it's a fucking stupid question too)
Beermoth
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She either needs help or she's lying. I can see no other option here. If she isn't , she's needlessly putting herself through a lot of emotional distress. I mean, is she not? She's jewish and she's working for some one who she has said is anti-semitic.
Beermoth
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It's not a fucking stupid question! She said Corbyn's Labour is out to get her! She fucking said it!
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She believes it and is trying to get him the sack.
Saying she is lying is playing into the idea that there is a cynical plot to oust him that includes actually lying about antisemitism within the Labour party.
According to the last couple pages of this thread you can call her 'mad' and/or a 'cunt' though.
I think there is a problem with antisemitism in the Labour party, and that Jeremy Corbyn has had trouble recognising it to a worrying degree. If I had more skin in the game, I might think, as Hodge does, that this blindness is over the line into the actual antisemitism. I don't think that's an unreasonable position to take, even if on balance I think she's wrong.
Beermoth
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This is specific to Hodge.
I can literally see no other options here. Again, she's Jewish and she's working for someone she regards as an anti-semite. She could choose not to do that. So why is she?
I genuinely genuinely genuinely don't understand.
Beermoth
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Someone you know who is jewish says to you: "I hate my boss, he's a fucking anti-semite. And he's causing me a lot of pain emotionally. But I have the means and wherewithal to leave the situation if I want"
do you go: "yes, that's terrible. Explain to me what's going on. Let me understand"
or: 'Fuck me, that's terrible. you should leave this situation immediately."
do you go: "yes, that's terrible. Explain to me what's going on. Let me understand"
or: 'Fuck me, that's terrible. you should leave this situation immediately."
cantsin
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#hodgecomparison was shit on every front : offensive, deeply unfunny, and an open own goal for mass deflection away from the shocking cynicism and stupidity of Hodges' grotesque claim
cantsin
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cantsin
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this is bollocks, fuck off
cantsin
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is that your advice to anyone with a shit boss, walk meekly away ?
Beermoth
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Beermoth
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What would you do?
bimble
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Don't just drop it out of feeling a bit awkward please, look into it, think about it, the accusation of lying against someone (many people) who say they feel that they're experiencing racism.
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Gramsci
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I've already said I don't think Hodge is a bit mad.
The Labour party Hodge joined in 60s was pro Israel. If this short history of the British Labour party and Zionism is correct then traditionally the Labour party was largely pro Zionist from the early days.
So its not a surprise that Hodge is upset. With Corbyn the traditional support from leadership for Zionism has gone.
It backed Israel before Balfour: Corbyn stance is stark shift from early Labour
The problem I have with this is that Palestine wasn't an empty land. State of Israel was based on expulsion of Palestinians.
The Labour party Hodge joined in 60s was pro Israel. If this short history of the British Labour party and Zionism is correct then traditionally the Labour party was largely pro Zionist from the early days.
So its not a surprise that Hodge is upset. With Corbyn the traditional support from leadership for Zionism has gone.
It backed Israel before Balfour: Corbyn stance is stark shift from early Labour
The problem I have with this is that Palestine wasn't an empty land. State of Israel was based on expulsion of Palestinians.
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binka
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I think you're wrong here. She doesn't work for Corbyn. She's was first elected for Labour in the early 70s so she's been a member for 40+ years. She has every right to not be run out of the party by anti-Semites (as she and others would see it)
If I was a member of Labour for decades, and if I was Jewish, and I thought the leader of the party were an anti-semite I wouldn't just walk sway; I'd stay and fight to reclaim it
bimble
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This is what is making me so sad Gramsci .
I know you a bit in real life, we've been working on the same local thing for a long time and met today, you're my neighbour and i hope my friend and ally, and i respect you massively for the voluntary work you do after a week of long hours hard graft. And yet on this it feels like we probably can't ever understand each other. It makes me feel really sad lonely and a bit scared.
You think she is an angry Zionist (and or Blairite) shouting antisemitism in order to get rid of Corbyn for her own political ends, or because she wants to crush the voices of those fighting for justice for Palestinians.
I don't give a shit about her (and I think Israel is completely fucked up and currently run by racists, saying that because it needs to be said every time) but your opinion that the woman is lying / acting is the thing.
JC himself has said that there is a real problem, and that people who deny this do not speak for him. I just don't know, the divisions in our current situation in this country feel really painful and i wish i could see a way out of it all but can't. Sorry i didn't bring tea like i said i would today.
I know you a bit in real life, we've been working on the same local thing for a long time and met today, you're my neighbour and i hope my friend and ally, and i respect you massively for the voluntary work you do after a week of long hours hard graft. And yet on this it feels like we probably can't ever understand each other. It makes me feel really sad lonely and a bit scared.
You think she is an angry Zionist (and or Blairite) shouting antisemitism in order to get rid of Corbyn for her own political ends, or because she wants to crush the voices of those fighting for justice for Palestinians.
I don't give a shit about her (and I think Israel is completely fucked up and currently run by racists, saying that because it needs to be said every time) but your opinion that the woman is lying / acting is the thing.
JC himself has said that there is a real problem, and that people who deny this do not speak for him. I just don't know, the divisions in our current situation in this country feel really painful and i wish i could see a way out of it all but can't. Sorry i didn't bring tea like i said i would today.
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Really thoughtful...shame about the repeating of untruths (wreath laying on terrorists graves!!!) and waving his hand over the atrocities committed by Israel as things he doesn't always agree with.
Shechemite
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What’s untrue about it?
bimble
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Just fucking leave it. The graves wreath thing is no longer about whether its true or not its just a measure of what internet cul de sac you hang out in.
eta: the evidence is clear, far as i can tell, not that i think it matters much. If he'd just said oh, I didn't know, was just going along with it, sorry ye widows of the olympics 40 years ago, that was a mistake, it would have been fine. instead this shitshow.
eta: the evidence is clear, far as i can tell, not that i think it matters much. If he'd just said oh, I didn't know, was just going along with it, sorry ye widows of the olympics 40 years ago, that was a mistake, it would have been fine. instead this shitshow.
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