Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[killer b]

I’d give virtually no weight to some unknown twitter Corbyn fan coming out with shit like that.

But also this. Mainly this. And source your quotes please.

 

[agricola]

I believe this is sourced from a tweet I saw this morning, can't remember who by sorry. They added together the full membership numbers (around 550,000 I think they said) with the associate members via unions (another 250,000) = 800,000. I've no idea of the veracity of the two figures, but even if they're true I don't think it's very honest to add them together and call it the LP membership numbers.

Indeed, though they were at 542000 earlier this year and a lot of people seem to have joined over the summer. I don't think its as many as 800,000 but I would not be surprised if its above 600,000 now.

 

[killer b]

here - no idea of the reliability of the source, but this is where that figure is from I think:

 

[cantsin]

I’d give virtually no weight to some unknown twitter Corbyn fan coming out with shit like that, not like it’s unknown for people to masquerade as their opponents and spout offensive crap in order to discredit them. It’s high stakes for some people.

(That’s not denying there are plenty of genuine corbynite idiots out there).

unfortunately that bloke seems like a genuine supporter - depressing, but we know there out there

 

[J Ed]

unfortunately that bloke seems like a genuine supporter - depressing, but we know there out there

Just look at the Momentum FB groups, they are full of dodgy stuff, not like this but not far enough off of it either.

 

[cantsin]

Just look at the Momentum FB groups, they are full of dodgy stuff, not like this but not far enough off of it either.

don't use FB, but if you can be arsed, it'd be useful to have the worst shoved in front of us on here every now and again - I deffo lean too heavily towards the ' it's only the supercranks' line, and would be more than happy to confront this stuff amongst Mom members when i come accross it ( i just cant get involved in FB - it fucks my head up )

 

[bimble]

Norman Finklelstein's done a phone interview with George Galloway, in which he says that antisemitism is 'next to non existant' in the uk, and that all of this is "a sordid filthy campaign of blackmail and extortion". He calls British jews "an alien body".. This of course received with adulation on swawkbox etc.

 

[hash tag]

Blimey, I wondered where George had got to and thought he had be quiet recently.

 

[bimble]

he's going on tour .

 

[hash tag]

"St Georges" hall

Would I pay to go and see them?

 

[DownwardDog]

"St Georges" hall

Would I pay to go and see them?

Saint George was from the Palestinian Entity so it's all good.

 

[Knotted]

Norman Finklelstein's done a phone interview with George Galloway, in which he says that antisemitism is 'next to non existant' in the uk, and that all of this is "a sordid filthy campaign of blackmail and extortion". He calls British jews "an alien body".. This of course received with adulation on swawkbox etc.

I think Finkelstein has got this wrong. He's looking at a handful of surveys that just don't capture the problem. However he is saying that Jewish groups like the BOD are alien bodies to the Labour Party not that Jews are alien to the country.

 

[bimble]

You're almost certainly right Knotted (can't face listening again). Sorry i got that wrong was not intentional, i was fed up by that point. But also yes, the BOD and such groups are not part of / anything much to do with the Labour party, but not sure 'alien body' was a good choice of words, given the context of what he's saying (its all a devious plot etc).

 

[butchersapron]

Lucky you haven't got a record for making stuff about finkelstein isn't it?

 

[butchersapron]

I’d give virtually no weight to some unknown twitter Corbyn fan coming out with shit like that, not like it’s unknown for people to masquerade as their opponents and spout offensive crap in order to discredit them. It’s high stakes for some people.

(That’s not denying there are plenty of genuine corbynite idiots out there).

Could always check it out like. It's obv genuine.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I think Finkelstein has got this wrong. He's looking at a handful of surveys that just don't capture the problem. However he is saying that Jewish groups like the BOD are alien bodies to the Labour Party not that Jews are alien to the country.

Well that is miles away from what he is being accused of above. Incredible, the stuff people attack this man with.

 

[bimble]

Listen to the interview if you have time. I think its abhorent. Would be interested to hear if anyone thinks otherwise.
(Me being an anus has already been established, don't think its the most interesting thing to take away from this tbh. )

 

[Beermoth]

Here's a link to an article from Stephen Bush about the recent Hodge Sky interview, expanding on the point I made above. Think he's about right.

Everyone is getting very excited about something Margaret Hodge didn’t actually say

But by staying in the party she's complicit in her own suffering, is she not? And Bush is aiding her.

I mean, either that or she's just lying.

 

[bimble]

Beermoth if you can be arsed, please try to explain when or how you think she might be lying. Not wrong, but lying. Is it that you think her whole recent behaviour has been a performance (pretending to see antisemitism where she secretly knows that there isn't any) ?

 

[bimble]

This hashtag from a couple of days ago hodgecomparisons - Twitter Search has done my head in, I don't know how many people that I like in real life find it hilariously funny or have joined in.
Similarly this headline, its maybe a sort of rorschach thing where I don't know if you see what I see, and if you don't you'll think i'm at best an idiot, most likely a liar. It's a very alienating time. None of which means i don't think hodge has behaved like a irresponsible thoughtless twit.

 

[killer b]

But by staying in the party she's complicit in her own suffering, is she not? And Bush is aiding her.

I mean, either that or she's just lying.

I think we need to recognise that people's motivations are very complex. Sure, Hodge's disquiet about Jeremy Corbyn as an existential threat to the jews is certainly mixed up with her disquiet about Jeremy Corbyn as an existential threat to her strand of the Labour party. I don't think that makes her feelings any less real, or really something we should ridicule as with that hodgecomparisons thing.

By accusing her of bad faith, you're accusing her of playing the race card. Are you really sure enough about this that you're up for that kind of tactic? What do the people mocking Hodge over this hoping to achieve, other than make themselves look insensitive at best, racist at worst? Even if she has cynically rolled this out for factional political reasons, this is a fucking stupid way of challenging it.

 

[killer b]

But by staying in the party she's complicit in her own suffering, is she not?

and this though ffs. listen to yourself.

 

[Shechemite]

Birds of a feather

 

[rekil]

Birds of a feather

Ugh.

 

[killer b]

Jesus.

 

[killer b]

There's a few people on that lineup who I'm surprised would agree to be on that lineup.

 

[bimble]

Beautiful Days.

killer b its pathetic that i feel grateful to you, and to butchersapron as well (despite his v clearly expressed feelings about me personally obvs) but i do. What you're saying is rare out in the wilds of the internet. I spend too much time online but the situation right now seems properly fucked. There's several people saying 'you're either with anti austerity Corbyn or you're with child-killer Netanyahu which is it', actual polls like that. Many supporters of Corbyn seem to be digging deep into dodgy trenches. I don't know how it can get better.
What Beermoth said is totally normal, the idea that 1) if you're not happy just leave (the party or in a few more extreme cases the country) and 2) its all a lie, part of a Zionist and or anti-socialist plot.

 

[Beermoth]

I think we need to recognise that people's motivations are very complex. Sure, Hodge's disquiet about Jeremy Corbyn as an existential threat to the jews is certainly mixed up with her disquiet about Jeremy Corbyn as an existential threat to her strand of the Labour party. I don't think that makes her feelings any less real, or really something we should ridicule as with that hodgecomparisons thing.

But why is the response 'we need to understand this' and not 'get help immediately'? Because she thinks she's working for an anti-semite and the Labour Party were out to get her a week ago. She's staying in the party by choice and choosing to go through emotional pain. She said this, not me.

 

[Beermoth]

and this though ffs. listen to yourself.

I have. I've spent way too much time thinking about this. If she's in this much emotional pain why isn't someone intervening? Why this 'let's stand to one side and be conciliatory' stuff. I genuinely genuinely don't get it.

 

[bimble]

jesus christ on a bike.