Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[J Ed]

this is a bold move.

Labour complains to regulator over coverage of cemetery visit

Well they may as well do this, what's the worst that could happen? Negative press coverage?

 

[Pickman's model]

Well they may as well do this, what's the worst that could happen? Negative press coverage?

Which would happen anyway

 

[Pickman's model]

The resurgence of UKIP seems promising in this respect.

It'll just be a fart not a resurgence, brexit's fucked them and anyone halfway palatable has departed

 

[bimble]

Does the press complaints thing mean there'll be weeks / months more of everyone going on about the bloody wreath and who exactly did what wrt the olympics 46 years ago? Seems fucking ridiculous given the state of the people actually in power. And also won't change anything far as i can see, if they win Corbyn's supporters will cheer, if not then press complaints probably in on the conspiracy ?

 

[SpackleFrog]

Well they may as well do this, what's the worst that could happen? Negative press coverage?

 

[SpackleFrog]

Does the press complaints thing mean there'll be weeks / months more of everyone going on about the bloody wreath and who exactly did what wrt the olympics 46 years ago? Seems fucking ridiculous given the state of the people actually in power. And also won't change anything far as i can see, if they win Corbyn's supporters will cheer, if not then press complaints probably in on the conspiracy ?

Nah we'll get back to Brexit it soon don't worry. It's August innit.

 

[cantsin]

Basically on her show yesterday there were two guests to talk about how anti-semitism is making them leave the UK, specifically Labour antisemitism. Victoria challenged them a bit and at one point said the two of them had just founded a Zionist Party in the UK, which they denied. That point appears to have come from an article in the (edit) Jewish News which initially reported them as being behind the formation of a new UK Zionist Party, but which was later amended to report the formation of a new UK Zionist group. There has been a subsequent and ongoing row on Twitter over the use of the world party instead of group.

wasnt this approx the 5th time they've claimed to be leaving the UK in 3 years ? Derbyshire gave the staunchest defence of Corbyn / Labs record on A/S I've seen to date, those 2 jokers didn't seem to have been expecting that

 

[editor]

I don't think I've ever witnessed such a volume of media-led attempts to discredit a politician since the days of Neil Kinnock. The stories keep on getting more and more desperate by the day.

 

[teqniq]

 

[J Ed]

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Breath-taking cynicism.

 

[billbond]

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feel very sorry for the lady. Disgusting

 

[killer b]

I don't think she's actually being cynical fwiw. She probably believes it. She's just wrong and a bit mad. I'd imagine things like the holocaust happening to your family and community makes you susceptible to a bit of madness over stuff like this though.

 

[bimble]

I don't think she's actually being cynical fwiw. She probably believes it. She's just wrong and a bit mad. I'd imagine things like the holocaust happening to your family and community makes you susceptible to a bit of madness over stuff like this though.

Can confirm, most of my family is mad in this way (probably including me). It doesn’t make it right but important to try to understand where the hyperbole and paranoia is coming from, that it’s not all a cunning cynical plot.

 

[killer b]

Yeah totally. There are cynics involved in this debate (although probably less than many people think) - but on the whole it isn't the Jewish people.

 

[bimble]

The whole thing and reading the internet on this for the past year or two has definitely increased my own inherited madness/paranoia about the subject tbh and I don’t even know any Jews, the people who get together and talk about it and the first generation post war probably wind themselves up even more.

 

[billbond]

Yeah totally. There are cynics involved in this debate (although probably less than many people think) - but on the whole it isn't the Jewish people.

I know a few Jewish people from the market i sometimes work, they are not happy i can tell you with all this stuff going on when i have spoke to them.

 

[killer b]

insightful, as ever.

 

[billbond]

insightful, as ever.

oh yeah sorry no graphs, links, fake paper news, or a poll for "facts"
Cynical as ever
Talking and meeting people is so last century now.

 

[Supine]

Talking and meeting people is so last century now.

I guess you could join a Jewish forum if your that way inclined

 

[bimble]

I guess you could join a Jewish forum if your that way inclined

What ?

 

[Supine]

What ?

Talking and meeting people is so last century. Catch up at the back. Forums are the place to be.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I don't think she's actually being cynical fwiw. She probably believes it. She's just wrong and a bit mad. I'd imagine things like the holocaust happening to your family and community makes you susceptible to a bit of madness over stuff like this though.

Yes I'm sure there's a level of generational trauma at work here that makes words like 'existential threat' burrow in deep and affect people on such a profound level that they start to disregard the evidence of their own senses.

Someone is being cynical here though, and that's putting it kindly. There are people in play here who know all too well that exploiting trauma can be very powerful way to get a message into someone's head in a way that bypasses rational thought. Quite apart from any wider consequences, it can be extremely harmful to the people you're targetting. Worse still when someone is in the public eye and loses their grip on reality in such a public way.

 

[killer b]

I dunno, I think the existential threat headline isn't a driver of the madness - it's an expression of it.

 

[Wilf]

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Surely not real, can't be. Can it?

 

[Santino]

Which would happen anyway

Yes that's the joke

 

[killer b]

Surely not real, can't be. Can it?

Watch the video - she's making a less batshit point than it appears from the headline.

Margaret Hodge: Labour investigation made me think about treatment of Jews in 1930s Germany

 

[Balbi]

Who hasn't absolutely shit themselves at getting a letter informing them of a disciplinary, having shouted that their boss is a racist to his face though

 

[Beermoth]

How is she still an MP? She literally covered up child abuse ffs

 

[Wilf]

Watch the video - she's making a less batshit point than it appears from the headline.

Margaret Hodge: Labour investigation made me think about treatment of Jews in 1930s Germany

It's a little less batshit, but she does manage to say something or other and then draw tendrils of connection to the 30s:

"We've got the growth of populism, whether it's Trump, whether it's Boris Johnson, and now whether it's the cult of Corbynism which allows these attitudes to emerge. That's what scares me.

I think she's right in some ways about Corbyn and populism. It isn't connected to Trump or Johnson, it's a middle class, shitty studenty populism. Fair enough, from a very different position I tend to agree with her that the veneration of Corbyn is deeply shit. But then she has to give it the 'that's what scares me' bit, in an interview where she has already spoken about packed suitcases. I can see that in this there is stuff that is very real in terms of her family, her psyche and the rest. But then she's also a politician who has had significant privilege over the years and doesn't like being challenged. All sorts of things in play here, but cynicism is certainly one of them.

 

[Gramsci]

I don't think she's actually being cynical fwiw. She probably believes it. She's just wrong and a bit mad. I'd imagine things like the holocaust happening to your family and community makes you susceptible to a bit of madness over stuff like this though.

From what I have seen of Hodge over the years is that she is sane and intelligent.

She disagrees with Corbyn and what he stands for. That is what this is about.

Started reading this tonight by journalist David Hearst.

Every argument in this debate is twisted, every fact distorted to serve the overwhelming narrative of collective victimhood. Meanwhile, among the same people who feel so outraged by Corbyn, there is total silence about what is happening in Israel. It is not even covered. They are not even asked questions about it. There are no press statements. It’s as if it's not happening.

What exactly about the state of Israel do you support, Margaret Hodge?

I don't think Hodge is a bit mad. She has used her outburst directed at Corbyn effectively. Far from being mad I think she knows exactly what she is doing.