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Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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cantsin
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i just don't think i could have made it any clearer what it was i was objecting to, and nothing you've linked to since has helped counter that (imo).... namely, (deep breath ) that : ''Israel is behind the plot to oust JC' ( ie : a deeply cranky, nakedly anti semitic conspira-theory) is not, in any way, a"theory that is circulating " amongst anyone with a shred of sense or credibility, in Lab circles, or elsewhere.
I know it's only U75, and it's an exhausted subject, but it's a big old issue, and so is hard to leave alone.
But am sure you're as bored as I am going round in these circles, so will try to here.
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Plenty of assholes on the Labour Against the Witchhunt group prpound just such a theory.
cantsin
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Are you sure cos catsin doesn't believe it, despite me wasting my time showing them today that this idea is being circulated and it's nothing new.
Perhaps they'll ask you for links or perhaps they'll simply take your word for it because they choose to.
This is a strange way of insisting something isn't happening. Unless you can produce a list of people with what you believe to be 'sense and credibility' that 1, everyone agrees with and 2, we care enough to cross reference.
I don't understand why you think people would post this as a concern if it isn't.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
So is belboid
cantsin
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Are you sure cos catsin doesn't believe it, despite me wasting my time showing them today that this idea is being circulated and it's nothing new.
Perhaps they'll ask you for links or perhaps they'll simply take your word for it because they choose to.
This is a strange way of insisting something isn't happening. Unless you can produce a list of people with what you believe to be 'sense and credibility' that 1, everyone agrees with and 2, we care enough to cross reference.
I don't understand why you think people would post this as a concern if it isn't.
nnnnmmmnnngggggwwwttttt.........
TONY GREENSTEIN FFS
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Right. Now I see.
sure, but he's our crank.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
He is.
Gramsci
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There were 8 Munich Terrorists - NONE are buried at the Tunis Cemetery that Jeremy Corbyn visited | Evolve Politics
From this article none of those who actually took part in Munich killing of Israeli athletes were buried in Tunis
From this article none of those who actually took part in Munich killing of Israeli athletes were buried in Tunis
tommers
Busta Rhymes is an unstoppable movement
Doesn't matter. This just continues until he goes. Remember when he was a Czech spy?
And its not just him. This will happen to anybody who is even slightly left wing or an obstruction to twats like Rees mogg and their hedge funds. Forever. Until we're back to working 6 day weeks with no holidays and no job security or sick pay. All voted for by stupid pricks who are upset that somebody met with the IRA, despite the people they voted for also doing that. Cos heaven forbid somebody might raise the higher tax rate by five fucking percent.
Happy Wednesday.
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what about the man the zionists killed in lillehammer? where's he buried?
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i'll say one thing for corbyn, his time management skills are awesome
Rob Ray
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I think the argument is more that the people who gave them the orders are buried there. But tbh the entire idea of engaging with the higher levels of any organisation that falls into the freedom fighter/terrorist designation without having to meet people with blood on their hands (let alone stand near their graves, what's acceptable proximity I wonder, 20 feet? 40?) is farcical. If our own government had refused to do so then there would be no Good Friday Agreement.
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not to mention that the zionist entity would be the palestine mandate, india would be british, ireland would be undivided etc etc ad nauseam.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
The problem Corbyn has is that his record of 'talking to anyone in order to bring about peace' is laughably one-sided - he constantly goes on about having to talk to all sides and dialogue, but he's spent 30+ years talking to Palestinians about peace, but he doesn't talk to the Israelis, he's spent 30+ years talking to Irish Republicans about peace, but doesn't talk to Loyalists, he has lunch at the Argentine Embassy within a week of becoming Leader of the Labour party but 2 years later still doesn't talk to Falkland Islanders....
The people who did the work of bringing about peace, or some semblance of it, in NI - the SDLP, the various intermediaries, the people from the armed groups, people in the NI office, the Irish Government - all of whom talked, at length, to people they utterly opposed and in some cases posed them very real physical dangers, they don't think that Corbyn and his ilk were part of the peace process, they consider them to be PSF's 'useful idiots'.
Corbyn isn't a peacemaker who is prepared to talk to people he dislikes in order to bring about peace or dialogue, he's a man who is very choosey about the 'peace' he wishes to bring about.
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meh
I passed within a few feet of Churchill yesterday but didn’t lay a wreath. I am now personally responsible for the actions of the Black and Tans. Please accept my apologies for this.
cantsin
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edit : read half + ranted
but have seen this hearsay before, and never seen any sources, in particular re: any critique from the Repub. side, of Corbyn's long standing support for the Republican cause, in the face of profound mainland hostility ..... sounds like same old Brit divide and rule attempts.... as for SDLP / NI Office / Irish Govt ? lolz
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Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Corbyn has far bigger problems than his tendency to fetishise anti-imperialist struggle tbh, but that wasn't the point I was making. It is possible to mount a solid critique of Corbyn's approach to international politics, but the furore over the last few days is nothing close, instead choosing to descend into yet another round of "so you talk to killers eh?? EH?!"* as though this isn't an actual requirement of being in power.
*Or in this case "so you stood near the gravestones of killers a few years back eh?? EHEH?!!"
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when the british government hauled gerry adams out of long kesh and brought him to london in 1972 did they talk to the loyalists? why would they? why would they need to talk to the hired help? weren't the british government in constant contact with the uvf / uda anyway? same with corbyn, why would he need to talk to people the british state was actively directing?
Rob Ray
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I do wonder what kebabking thinks the Knesset would have said to sidelined leftie backbencher Corbyn if he'd offered to show up for a chat with Ariel Sharon/Benjamin Netanyahu about "sorting out this whole Palestine thing". After the call to the Foreign Office to ask who this bearded man in the jumper was, of course.
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times, 19/7/1972
not-bono-ever
meh
Whitelaw and his lot were well used to sitting in provo’s parlours, sipping tea from the best china.
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to be fair it was paul channon's cheyne walk apartment, but not only were they drinking the best tea from the best china, i wouldn't be surprised if they'd helped themselves to some of his scotch and brandy too
not-bono-ever
meh
There were plenty of meetings in the province as well - Channons was the biggie that we all remember.
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I'm beginning to wonder if Novara media's vociferous defences in the media are really helping because they always seem to concede that he's at least partly guilty of whatever
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