belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Not quite how they came about. All part of the war following Israel’s annexation of the West Bank in ‘67. They were quite a successful organisation for a few years. Up till around ‘72 in fact.
Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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sleaterkinney
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And Netanyahu has chimed in, there's no good way out of this for Corbyn, is there?
J Ed
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What are you talking about? Netanyahu is rightly reviled as a war criminal in charge of a government implementing laws that resemble apartheid, if anything quite frankly this is good for Corbyn.
agricola
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Not really.
Of the four Black September terrorists responsible for Munich that Corbyn is meant to have paid his respects to, three of them were killed by (edit) other Palestinians nineteen years after the event and the fourth was killed in circumstances that suggest there were other reasons for his death twenty years after the event. I have no idea how much or whether they were involved in the Munich murders but nor can I see how we can just blindly label them as such. There is a good thread on twitter here (apologies if people have seen it already):
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George GallowayVerified account @georgegalloway Replying to @netanyahu
The most reviled ugly man in the world joins the kick- in at #Corbyn You join him if you want, I #StandUp4Corby
J Ed
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The most reviled ugly man in the world joins the kick- in at #Corbyn You join him if you want, I #StandUp4Corby
What is this supposed to imply exactly?
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Err...Netanyahu is hardly a respected, morally revered figure of 'influence'. He is hated. I imagine him chiming in will make some double down on the 'Israel is behind the plot to oust JC' theory that is circulating.
sleaterkinney
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Corbyn can't moderate his position now or it will look like he's giving in to Netanyahu.
J Ed
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Moderate his position on what?
sleaterkinney
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Urban synchronicity..
butchersapron
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I think he's confusing the labour party membership with wider society. There most def is a base in the former. Not so much in the latter. There is widespread anti-tory feeling but that's not ness pro-labour except by default and it's most def not pro-corbyn as corbyn. And what there is, tends to be in the most electorally volatile lib-dem one year green next, ooh corbyn top end of the middle class seats.
butchersapron
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I would put that about right for now as well. That said, this was Blair's logic. They have nowhere else to go. I'm not suggesting that corbyn and labour left are going to engage in the wider shift from formal historical principles that they/he did, but i do think there's a danger of wishing a default anti-tory position into something that i don't think it is.
cantsin
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butchersapron
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You know that no one gives a shit? It's all irrelevant.
cantsin
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there's no such 'theory circulating', except for maybe amongst the fringe cranks, who no one give s a f*ck about, aprt from the people who have most to gain from highlighting their conspira-idiocy, and pushing it as somehow representative of any wider sentiment amongst Lab supporters / members.
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There is i'm afraid. The latest i've seen is about some kind of ap that is attributing/reporting posts as anti-semitic, purported to be originating in Israel...not sure how it is supposed to work as it's batshit and I couldn't face reading all of the article. Pretty sure the last time I saw it posted yesterday was linked to an article on the 'Electronicintifada'. Not 100% though will need to search.
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cantsin
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'there's somekind of app...electronicintida...not 100% though'
thanks for sharing, but am sure we all have access to enough unsubstantiated bullshit around this subject to last a lifetime - links ?
Not sure about that. I must know a lot of cranks.
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Is there a reason you are being so hostile?
The only thing I am not sure of is where I last saw the ap/article linked to.
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butchersapron
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There really is mate. It's the same people over and over of course, but, as i keep arguing around this, they are not fringe people any more. They are active labour members and their way of looking at the world is both influential in momentum and in the people around corbyn - scum like Milne for example. I think they pose a real danger because of this - they're all going to run away when corbyn resigns (before or after or never being pm) because they are loyal to him not the wider labour movement.
cantsin
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wasnt meant to come across as hostile to you, only to ...all this
butchersapron
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They're rootless.
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Fair enough. I found the link to EI anyway. See above.
cantsin
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even this, batshit though it is, doesn't in any way say what you claimed :
'Israel is behind the plot to oust JC' theory that is circulating."
it says " 'Israel is behind A plot to oust JC' ."
big, big difference...
I think a lot of previously relatively uninterested, 'unpolitical' members have ended up pushing the conspiracies too, as a result of the cranks being in positions of influence, and the wagon-circling because of the tenor and opportunism of the attacks.
butchersapron
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I knew that would be that assadist goon winstanley before i even clicked on it.
edit: the electronic intifada link that is
edit: the electronic intifada link that is
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