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Yes, yes, we need a simple answer to something that isn't true and until we get it...well, we'll keep asking for it.
Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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Yes, yes, we need a simple answer to something that isn't true and until we get it...well, we'll keep asking for it.
Yes, yes, we need a simple answer to something that isn't true and until we get it...well, we'll keep asking for it.
And then when the clarification comes "no terrorists are buried there", Labour (ie Corbyn) gets blamed for not being clear enough in the first place.
Damned if you do...
On the basis of that clip I cannot see how any reasonable viewer could claim it was a car crash
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
The centre has collapsed, there is no in between any more.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh even the inbetweeners franchise has collapsed.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Just back on this.....
Not even most of the fw's in Labour Against the Witchhunt would go along with the idea that Israel is behind the plot to oust JC, even in there it is only a few of the gobshitiest idiots. But the problem is that the vast majority of otherwise relatively sane people who are involved, don't see that kind of argument as in any way anti-semitic. They will be defended to the hilt by many, and quietly tolerated by the rest. And the rest does include some people with, low level, positions, who are relatively respected, and certainly aren't just seen as cranks.
I wouldn't know, I'm not going to watch a video hosted on 'B Heard Media'
why?
lazythursday
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I thought Evan Davis acted like the worst sort of interviewer - asking Chris Williamson (who I'm no fan of) the same ridiculous question over and over again - Did Jeremy lay a wreath on the bad gravestones??? - which was a question he clearly couldn't answer because he wasn't fucking well there! But yes, the reactions on Twitter afterwards were utterly polarised.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
its what paxman used to get praised for and its essentially hammering a point disguised as a question imo. Andrew Neil does it as well, when he isn't doing his falsetto voiced incredulity at anything left of thatch
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Which is exactly why you need someone like corbyn - a line drawer. I think he needs to up the polarisation a bit as well.
It's exactly why the brexit panic is happening as well.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I get your point.
But take the case of this morning.
Listening to radio 4 news. Tory politician was being asked about Boris. He then said what Boris did was minor in comparison to Corbyn who laid wreath on graves of terrorists who murdered Israeli athletes.
They weren't buried there. That is a fact. Its this that I object to.
Agree Good Friday agreement would not have happened without talking to terrorists. Its still sore point in Northern Ireland amongst some people. Understandably as this was a bitter conflict. People lost loved ones.
As far as I understand Corbyn view on Palestinian issue is a Two State solution. So unless people say he is lying he accepts Israel state but says Palestinians should have own viable state.
I really don't understand what the problem unless the argument is that he is being disenguous.
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Humirax
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As Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has decided to wade into the attempted smear on Corbyn, I feel it's worth considering the following . . . Netanyahu is an admirer of Menachem Begin, who was leader of the Irgun, a terrorist group that massacred many innocent people including other Jews. According to Netanyahu, Begin is a 'hero'. On the 60th anniversary of the bombing of the King David Hotel by the Irgun in 2006, Benjamin Netanyahu was present for a two-day celebration at Israel’s Menachem Begin Heritage Center. As Haaretz reported: The climax of the 60th anniversary observance was the unveiling of a large plaque near the King David, commemorating the bombing.
Hollis
bloody furious
Yes, I think that is problem, and the way Corbyn's handled it has been cringeworthy... This isn't the first time he's handled the media badly on security questions, and it makes him come across as less 100% honest...Go back again to the Evening Star article.
It's what will prevent Labour expanding beyond their core vote.. you can bet this will all be brought back up at the next election..
Btw there's a good article in the Guardian today about this.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Maybe (although as killer b points out they could win with that if the Tories do worse). It's not true to claim that's a core vote though seeing as they got less than that repeatedly before the last election. I think for any 'Corbyn out' argument to have any credibility that needs to be honestly addressed and I've seen no sign of it anywhere, whether that be here or by the 'moderates' in the press.
If all they're offering is a return to pre-Corbyn business as usual why will the results differ this time? Ie better than his rather than worse? When the background is those parties collapsing everywhere why would they buck the trend here? The sheer charisma of Chuka Ummuna?
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SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
I don't believe you.
Presume he's talking about the Jonathan Freedland one. So you're right.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
no. but i'm bored, do share.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Basically on her show yesterday there were two guests to talk about how anti-semitism is making them leave the UK, specifically Labour antisemitism. Victoria challenged them a bit and at one point said the two of them had just founded a Zionist Party in the UK, which they denied. That point appears to have come from an article in the (edit) Jewish News which initially reported them as being behind the formation of a new UK Zionist Party, but which was later amended to report the formation of a new UK Zionist group. There has been a subsequent and ongoing row on Twitter over the use of the world party instead of group.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i was hoping for so much more
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
The resurgence of UKIP seems promising in this respect.
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