Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[nardy]

Let's get down to basics. It's not about truth or reality, it's about perception. Corbyn/McDonnel/Labour are viewed as poison by well north of 50%. If there were an election tomorrow, Labour would be buried. There won't be an election tomorrow, and things could change.

Thing is, Corbyn/McDonnel/Labour (or the Tories) won't change a lot before the next election. So Labour will get buried whichever way you slice it.

 

[Hollis]

Presume he's talking about the Jonathan Freedland one. So you're right.

I'd disagree . And if Labour under Corbyn are ever to become electable they need to pay attention to this stuff.

Corbyn has a real trust/ credibility problem, and not helped by the way he responds to media challenges.

 

[J Ed]

Let's get down to basics. It's not about truth or reality, it's about perception. Corbyn/McDonnel/Labour are viewed as poison by well north of 50%. If there were an election tomorrow, Labour would be buried. There won't be an election tomorrow, and things could change.

Thing is, Corbyn/McDonnel/Labour (or the Tories) won't change a lot before the next election. So Labour will get buried whichever way you slice it.

Are you posting this on a delay over a year ago?

 

[Mr Smin]

Are you posting this on a delay over a year ago?

Dunno about those stats but on the wreath thing he looks terrible. He's playing semantics over involvement when he really should be able to own a debate about Israel/Palestine given he's been knee deep in it for decades.

 

[agricola]

I don't think she's actually being cynical fwiw. She probably believes it. She's just wrong and a bit mad. I'd imagine things like the holocaust happening to your family and community makes you susceptible to a bit of madness over stuff like this though.

That is true, and that comparison was probably the most explainable bit of the interview (however hugely wide of the mark it was). There was a much higher level of self-delusion on display when she attacked "the rise of populism" - as if Blair didn't have his own theme tune, a largely client press and legions of people telling us all how fantastic he was at everything.

 

[Mr Moose]

That is true, and that comparison was probably the most explainable bit of the interview (however hugely wide of the mark it was). There was a much higher level of self-delusion on display when she attacked "the rise of populism" - as if Blair didn't have his own theme tune, a largely client press and legions of people telling us all how fantastic he was at everything.

Or that she didn’t play to some divisive populism herself when a candidate in Barking.

 

[danny la rouge]

It's all over for Corbyn; Jean Luc Picard has left the Labour Party.

 

[rhod]

 

[Whagwan]

 

[SpookyFrank]

Corbyn/McDonnel/Labour are viewed as poison by well north of 50%. If there were an election tomorrow, Labour would be buried.

[citation needed]

 

[Pickman's model]

Let's get down to basics. It's not about truth or reality, it's about perception. Corbyn/McDonnel/Labour are viewed as poison by well north of 50%. If there were an election tomorrow, Labour would be buried. There won't be an election tomorrow, and things could change.

Thing is, Corbyn/McDonnel/Labour (or the Tories) won't change a lot before the next election. So Labour will get buried whichever way you slice it.

in just the same way they were sliced and diced last year i suppose

 

[tony.c]

Or that she didn’t play to some divisive populism herself when a candidate in Barking.

I don't remember Hodge doing anything to counter the NF when she was a councillor in Islington and they were very active there in the late 70s.

Even Alan Johnson, a fellow Blairite, criticised her for publicising the BNP in Barking:
Johnson attacks Hodge's policy | Metro News

And she tried to blame Corbyn for the Brexit vote.
www.eastlondonnews.co.uk/hodge-attacks-corbyn-poor-little-rich-girl/

 

[billbond]

Dunno about those stats but on the wreath thing he looks terrible. He's playing semantics over involvement when he really should be able to own a debate about Israel/Palestine given he's been knee deep in it for decades.

The groovy gang on here will not like these comments
You will be asked for links/evidence
Must only be the Guardian thou

 

[killer b]

Here's a link to an article from Stephen Bush about the recent Hodge Sky interview, expanding on the point I made above. Think he's about right.

Everyone is getting very excited about something Margaret Hodge didn’t actually say

 

[killer b]

(Hodge is still a cunt, mind)

 

[Shechemite]

Cunts all over the place on the Corbyn/antisemitism stuff

 

[billbond]

Cunts all over the place on the Corbyn/antisemitism stuff

Rightly so
Some may say cunts for those defending that stuff

 

[bimble]

This morning's crop of cunts include.. former mp (and apparently still a councellor) jim sheridan, and this bloke who is just one of many people using that jc9 hashtag saying similarly offensive things. i should just stop looking really but can't. There's no doubt in my mind that all this has stirred up real antisemitism that people would not have felt moved to express before.

 

[Shechemite]

This morning's crop of cunts include.. former mp (and apparently still a councellor) jim sheridan, and this bloke who is just one of many people using that jc9 hashtag saying similarly offensive things. i should just stop looking really but can't. There's no doubt in my mind that all this has stirred up real antisemitism that people would not have felt moved to express before.View attachment 144357

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Fucking hell!

 

[cantsin]

Dunno about those stats but on the wreath thing he looks terrible. He's playing semantics over involvement when he really should be able to own a debate about Israel/Palestine given he's been knee deep in it for decades.

not sure what you mean by " he really should be able to own a debate about Israel/Palestine " ? how could Corbyn "own' the debate, vs approx 600 MPs, the entire MSM etc, who are dictating the shape and flow of the narrative month to month ?

eg : 100 % focus on JC at wreath laying ceremony for 53 dead PLO / and Hodges disgraceful, insulting, carry on vs 0% focus on Israel's just passed, openly racist Nation State laws... in the last week alone.

for the previous 3-6 months : again, 100 % focus on a/s / Labour Party allegations, 0% on 150 Israeli-state murdered Palestinians, 15 of whom were children.

Seriously, how do you suggest Corbyn, or anyone else 'owns' this situation ?

 

[agricola]

This morning's crop of cunts include.. former mp (and apparently still a councellor) jim sheridan, and this bloke who is just one of many people using that jc9 hashtag saying similarly offensive things. i should just stop looking really but can't. There's no doubt in my mind that all this has stirred up real antisemitism that people would not have felt moved to express before.View attachment 144357

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Sheridan's been suspended already, no word on the other clown.

 

[cantsin]

Must only be the Guardian thou

que' ?

 

[killer b]

que' ?

He imagines himself to be posting on an entirely different forum to the one he's actually posting on.

 

[tim]

The groovy gang on here will not like these comments
You will be asked for links/evidence
Must only be the Guardian thou

Fuck off, we hate the Guardian even more that we hate you!

 

[treelover]

This morning's crop of cunts include.. former mp (and apparently still a councellor) jim sheridan, and this bloke who is just one of many people using that jc9 hashtag saying similarly offensive things. i should just stop looking really but can't. There's no doubt in my mind that all this has stirred up real antisemitism that people would not have felt moved to express before.View attachment 144357

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Anyone know this guy, Courtney, he is not a clown, he is a scum bag, he should be expelled now.

nicholas courtney#JC9 (@haulingboy) on Twitter

 

[bimble]

Sheridan's been suspended already, no word on the other clown.

Yeah impressed that got done so quickly. The way he said "their" blairites was extra-good. Other clown doesn't matter as they're not presumably an elected spokesperson apart from in their own head.

 

[treelover]

membership of Labour is now over 800k and rising daily because they see the bullies attacking Corbyn. They recognise a person of integrity and decency, this is what they want from a politician now. Not a corrupt warmongering Blair lookalik

Is this correct, or a bit like the woman who at Stoke said that JC had won the Nobel Peace Prize.

 

[cantsin]

Is this correct, or a bit like the woman who at Stoke said that JC had won the Nobel Peace Prize.

if all you took away from that tues afternoon Stoke meeting, with 100's locked out, was one ordinary lady getting something like that wrong, it sounds like your level of cynicism re: all this may be on a steep upward curb.

 

[Dogsauce]

I’d give virtually no weight to some unknown twitter Corbyn fan coming out with shit like that, not like it’s unknown for people to masquerade as their opponents and spout offensive crap in order to discredit them. It’s high stakes for some people.

(That’s not denying there are plenty of genuine corbynite idiots out there).

 

[killer b]

Is this correct, or a bit like the woman who at Stoke said that JC had won the Nobel Peace Prize.

I believe this is sourced from a tweet I saw this morning, can't remember who by sorry. They added together the full membership numbers (around 550,000 I think they said) with the associate members via unions (another 250,000) = 800,000. I've no idea of the veracity of the two figures, but even if they're true I don't think it's very honest to add them together and call it the LP membership numbers.