Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[bimble]

I’m aware of that thanks. You’re missing my point. It doesn’t matter.

 

[Treacle Toes]

If you are aware of it why is it odd that he wrote it? A massive part of what's going on at the moment centres around that point. The idea that there is a right and wrong way to be Jewish, that any criticism of Israel marks someone as self hating. It's not new though is it. Look what happened to people like Finkelstein.

 

[bimble]

You’re just missing my point about that sentence of his. Can’t get into this now .

 

[Treacle Toes]

Timing then? He should have waited until Monday to publish this?

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Tom Harris resigns from Labour amid antisemitism row

It's not all bad for Corbyn. This egregious shithead has finally fucked off.

 

[bimble]

Your aggressive tone really not necessary here Rutita1, or the lecturing on the problems of being an 'anti zionist' jew. All this from you who thought it was ridiculous for that utter liability Tony Greenstein to be expelled because look he has a 'yiddish name'.
I was just saying what i think of the thing Corbyn wrote. As to timing should have been months ago. In this febrile atmosphere would have been great if he could have published not on a friday night so that whatever Rabbis are most het up about it could at least not take further offence but not really important in the scheme of things. If you have an opinion on what Corbyn's written lets hear it but just sniping at me is a bit dull.

 

[Treacle Toes]

There isn't anything aggressive about my tone and no my having an opinion isn't lecturing either...you simply didn't want to explain yourself and now you have. Shame you couldn't do that without throwing your toys out of the pram because shock, horror how dare I question what you meant?

 

[bimble]

 

[Gramsci]

Deleted as quotes messed up again.

 

[Gramsci]

He's written this! Might actually help to draw a line under all this hopefully.
I will root antisemites out of Labour – they do not speak for me | Jeremy Corbyn

Zionism is not apartheid

In the 1970s some on the left mistakenly argued that “Zionism is racism”. That was wrong, but to assert that “anti-Zionism is racism” now is wrong too.

I read the article. The above sentence contained link to article above. Titled "Zionism is not apartheid". I don't know if Guardian put the link in or Corbyn.

I see the Zionism as enacting apartheid in Palestine. Which is a form of racism.

This sentence in article doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I don't think Corbyn can win on this whatever he does.

 

[bimble]

I kind of feel like there's not much more to say. Agree that sentence in Corbyn's thing is really strange. As if its 50 years since anyone has said zionism = racism?
I think one problem is that people aren't defining their terms at all when they say Zionism they might actually mean the actions of the Israeli state judiciary & military?

 

[bimble]

Just stumbled upon the rest of that 'apology' from Damien Enticott who has now resigned. I know he's an outlier but he probably really believes what he says in the last sentence.

 

[JimW]

I'm really sorry but it's their fault really. Twat.

 

[DotCommunist]

he's spelt hitler with two t's.

 

[mojo pixy]

And "Isreal" the ignorant twonk

 

[Rob Ray]

Well he's got a case for not being anti-Semitic, in fact he can't even spell anti-Semitic.

 

[mojo pixy]

He was clearly thinking anti-emetic; he certainly isn't that.

 

[Toast Rider]

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..when 'wizard' is the least shit part of your identity.

Didnt Netenyahu say something along the lines of Hitler supported Zionism?

Honest to god, this shit is never ending. I don't think it looks good for Corbyn. Not because I agree with any of it, but because if enough mud sticks...

I've no idea what the numbers are in support of this obvious coup attempt compared to the numbers that support him, in terms of enough elevtoral support to get him into power. I hope it's enough.

It's been going on for months now and it's depressing as fuck

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

 

[Poi E]

He still not been shot? Fucks' sake, send a memo to the gulag asking for haste.

 

[oryx]

Labour drops flying pig and 'Fagin' posters

I'd never heard of this before and just searched - it's pretty awful. No big outcry about it, just like there was no big outcry about the 'Miliband's dad' thing.

ETA - IMHO it's way worse than the murals thing and clear evidence that any anti-Semitism in the party didn't start with Corbyn in charge.

The hypocrisy of the Labour right is breathtaking.

 

[The Pale King]

I remember the Fagin poster well. Disgusting antisemitism.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Well this is interesting a) this must reflect a concern amongst Corby and the social democrats that a split (even with Blairites) would be damaging b) this will disappoint his more frothing fans alternatively demanding a round of deselections/expulsions or painting their man as a ‘victim’ and c) it indicates that the internal row over AS has reached a stalemate without any political shift in direction and definitely without the suggestion JC has expressed AS views being heard in a court:

Labour ends action against Margaret Hodge in antisemitism row

 

[cantsin]

Well this is interesting a) this must reflect a concern amongst Corby and the social democrats that a split (even with Blairites) would be damaging b) this will disappoint his more frothing fans alternatively demanding a round of deselections/expulsions or painting their man as a ‘victim’ and c) it indicates that the internal row over AS has reached a stalemate without any political shift in direction and definitely without the suggestion JC has expressed AS views being heard in a court:

Labour ends action against Margaret Hodge in antisemitism row

f*ck it, if it helps take some heat out of this ridiculous situation, all good - getting all enthused by (apparently pretty ad hoc) centralised party disciplinary machinery is a mugs game anyway.

But if we have no prospect of Hodge/ Austin / Watson / + the rests's CLP's being able to reselect ( or otherwise ) their MP before the next election, this whole things a waste of time /effort.

 

[Gerry1time]

As a reasonably impartial bystander, it is bizarre to see both of the two main political parties fighting amongst themselves rather than fighting each other.

 

[Gramsci]

Hodge called Corbyn an anti Semitic racist to his face.

Jewish Labour MP who called Corbyn an anti-Semite says she ‘was right’ to do so

She has not denied it.

 

[oryx]

Hodge called Corbyn an anti Semitic racist to his face.

Jewish Labour MP who called Corbyn an anti-Semite says she ‘was right’ to do so

She has not denied it.

Wasn't it a 'fucking' anti-Semite? However passionately she felt about the issue in hand this abuse is unacceptable and IMHO she's been let off the hook.

 

[Gramsci]

View of Palestinian Labour party member.

I hope that the party will maintain its code of conduct. If replaced with a word-for-word copy of the IHRA document, then I, as a member, would be prevented from speaking about what happened to me and my family – our dispossession, forced removal and permanent ban from our home purely because we were Arab.

This was conducted by the new Israeli state; a state that was founded on discrimination towards Arab people on the basis of religion and ethnicity. If that's not a racist endeavour, I don't know what is. And I should have the freedom, as the victim of that racism, to say so.

From a Palestinian member of the Labour Party: We demand the right to speak about Israel's racism

From what I know of history of this regiohn I agree. Ive met a few Palestinians in London and I'd say this writers views are mainstream amongst Palestinians.

 

[teqniq]

 

[agricola]

I don't think Corbyn can win on this whatever he does.

If he can cure "the Left" of this dependence on labelling a country that is carrying out terrible acts as being the same as some other country that carried out other terrible acts in the past, it would be an achievement.