Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[teqniq]

I don't have fb. How does one go about finding a conspiraloon artist's page to post comments on to begin with.

Actually i have kind of answered that question for myself, not that I was thinking of commenting (should have done this yesterday) go to his twitter page but in any event it doesn't get much better than this:

 

[killer b]

No. It would require a fair public discourse and there isn’t one.

They'll attack Corbyn whatever: this current argument is most damaging because of the internal conflict it's causing rather than the external - as I've said earlier in the thread, I don't think this in and of itself is a significant issue for the vast majority of people in the country. But a divided Labour party openly fighting among themselves is electoral poison.

 

[rekil]

Actually i have just answered that question for myself (should have done this yesterday) go to his twitter page but in any event it doesn't get much better than this:

No I've looked at all his twitter and instagram shit. I see that he also believes that skeletons with elongated skulls are evidence of aliens. I meant how did the loon's post come to Corbyn's attention.

 

[krtek a houby]

that's crazy - the socio economic factors that put Corbyn where he is ( and Sanders in the US ) remain as they are, with no hope of resolution in the forseeable ( with impending enviromental / AI challenges ahead,they're likely to get more pronounced ) - no one knows where all this ends up ( could end up with the focus shifting to the left of Corbyn and Labour ) , but the chances of 500 K new members converting to Neo-Blairism within a generation are virtually non existent, whatever online storm appears on the horizon next.

Let's hope so!

 

[teqniq]

No I've looked at all his twitter and instagram shit. I see that he also believes that skeletons with elongated skulls are evidence of aliens. I meant how did the loon's post come to Corbyn's attention.

Oh sorry I believe it was in a FB post originally but where that actually is I have no idea.

 

[Pickman's model]

No I've looked at all his twitter and instagram shit. I see that he also believes that skeletons with elongated skulls are evidence of aliens. I meant how did the loon's post come to Corbyn's attention.

i have my own suspicions on that last point.

 

[killer b]

No I've looked at all his twitter and instagram shit. I see that he also believes that skeletons with elongated skulls are evidence of aliens. I meant how did the loon's post come to Corbyn's attention.

Posts on public facebook pages pop up in your newsfeed when your facebook friends comment on them - Yvonne Ridley commented immediately before Corbyn, so I assume this is what brought it to his attention.

 

[LDC]

This shit is the tip of the iceberg if you look outside the Labour party into the wider extra-parliamentary left. The Venn diagram of conspiracy theory nonsense, the mad remnants of anti-imperialist politics, and politically dodgy ideas are really quite widespread and have needed dealing with for a long time.

 

[Southlondon]

I was only referring to redaction and their fellow travellers to illustrate that as a labour member at the time when I would be trying to look for support for anti fascist activities amongst fellow members, it was hard to find, but Corbyn was one of a handful that didn’t baulk at the idea of people putting up physical resistance to the Nazi scum that at that time were controlling the streets in a lot of working class areas.

The end of the day it’s the Labour Party we’re talking about, not a revolutionary movement unfortunately, and I’m saying that as Party members go he was better than most in terms of his attitude to anti fascism, and that there is no way he’s antisemitic which is what some contributors to the debate on here seems to imply

 

[Pickman's model]

Posts on public facebook pages pop up in your newsfeed when your facebook friends comment on them - Yvonne Ridley commented immediately before Corbyn, so I assume this is what brought it to his attention.

yeh. 'by their friends shall ye know them': and former (?) military intelligence officer ridley no real friend to socialists even of the stunted parliamentary variety

 

[butchersapron]

He's still friends with ridley the anti-semite!! I though she was just sticking her nose in.

 

[killer b]

He's still friends with ridley the anti-semite!! I though she was just sticking her nose in.

Not sure if he still is, but I bet in 2012 he was.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not sure if he still is, but I bet in 2012 he was.

she was bad news then

 

[killer b]

she was bad news then

Sure. But as we've established, Corbo didn't always notice that people were bad news.

 

[Pickman's model]

Sure. But as we've established, Corbo didn't always notice that people were bad news.

yeh. someone i used to know from the new communist party, he had corbo on speed dial.

 

[newbie]

I thought I'd made that clear: according to the Labour leadership. They need to set out some red lines, and explain why they're there.

do you really think it's possible to draw up hard and fast rules to govern the behaviour of members of a political party on this very specific, and very contentious political question? Members who campaign against the actions of the Zionist state, with its self-proclaimed Jewish identity and history of oppressing Palestinians and warring with neighbours? A party which includes those who identify the financial class as problematic. In a context where organised pro-Israeli lobbies have weaponised accusations of anti-semitism, and where so-called 'community leaders' somehow seldom get mentioned in the criticism levelled at top down multi-culturalism.

Leaving aside that rules based politics is a ridiculous concept, this particular potato is far too hot for any sensible agreement on boundaries, surely?

Does simply asking these questions lay me open to accusations of being anti-semitic?

 

[not-bono-ever]

He's still friends with ridley the anti-semite!! I though she was just sticking her nose in.

Some of her fellow travellers on FB have rather interesting opinion on the Corbs situation - zionazis ( new one to me) being flung about. its a bit nuts

 

[bemused]

do you really think it's possible to draw up hard and fast rules to govern the behaviour of members of a political party on this very specific, and very contentious political question? Members who campaign against the actions of the Zionist state, with its self-proclaimed Jewish identity and history of oppressing Palestinians and warring with neighbours? A party which includes those who identify the financial class as problematic. In a context where organised pro-Israeli lobbies have weaponised accusations of anti-semitism, and where so-called 'community leaders' somehow seldom get mentioned in the criticism levelled at top down multi-culturalism.

Leaving aside that rules based politics is a ridiculous concept, this particular potato is far too hot for any sensible agreement on boundaries, surely?

Does simply asking these questions lay me open to accusations of being anti-semitic?

The Labour party has a globally recognised definition of antisemitism, with clear examples of what sort of behaviour is not acceptable. For an organisation that wants to tackle the most challenging problems in government I really don't believe it's beyond their wit to point to a code of acceptable behaviour and kick anyone out who doesn't follow it.

 

[StigoftheDig]

"the financial class"

That might.

 

[DotCommunist]

Some of her fellow travellers on FB have rather interesting opinion on the Corbs situation - zionazis ( new one to me) being flung about. its a bit nuts

coming up with your own dodgy portmanteaus is always iffy ground. Reminds me of holohoax

 

[newbie]

The Labour party has a globally recognised definition of antisemitism, with clear examples of what sort of behaviour is not acceptable. For an organisation that wants to tackle the most challenging problems in government I really don't believe it's beyond their wit to point to a code of acceptable behaviour and kick anyone out who doesn't follow it.

and that code of behaviour covers discussion about a mural?

"the financial class"

That might.

if I'd said 'the ruling class'?

the boundaries of what can be considered acceptable and what can't are so much more nuanced on this very specific area of politics tahn any other. that's the point I was trying to make.

 

[killer b]

do you really think it's possible to draw up hard and fast rules to govern the behaviour of members of a political party on this very specific, and very contentious political question? Members who campaign against the actions of the Zionist state, with its self-proclaimed Jewish identity and history of oppressing Palestinians and warring with neighbours? A party which includes those who identify the financial class as problematic. In a context where organised pro-Israeli lobbies have weaponised accusations of anti-semitism, and where so-called 'community leaders' somehow seldom get mentioned in the criticism levelled at top down multi-culturalism.

Leaving aside that rules based politics is a ridiculous concept, this particular potato is far too hot for any sensible agreement on boundaries, surely?

Does simply asking these questions lay me open to accusations of being anti-semitic?

Well, it won't be easy. But he should probably have a crack at it.

 

[StigoftheDig]

If you'd have said the "ruling class" and conflated it with Jews, as you have "the financial class" then yes.

 

[butchersapron]

do you really think it's possible to draw up hard and fast rules to govern the behaviour of members of a political party on this very specific, and very contentious political question? Members who campaign against the actions of the Zionist state, with its self-proclaimed Jewish identity and history of oppressing Palestinians and warring with neighbours? A party which includes those who identify the financial class as problematic. In a context where organised pro-Israeli lobbies have weaponised accusations of anti-semitism, and where so-called 'community leaders' somehow seldom get mentioned in the criticism levelled at top down multi-culturalism.

Hang on - the critiques of top-down-multi-culturalism as developed on here, by the IWCA/RA, by Kenan Malik, Asian Youth Movements, Adolph Reed and loads of other people have always been crystal clear about the utterly central role that community leaders play in its imposition. Despite the different approaches it's one thing that they all share and grant great importance to. Bizarre claim.

 

[newbie]

Well, it won't be easy. But he should probably have a crack at it.

you really think rules based politics is a good idea, whether or not it's doable?

 

[bemused]

and that code of behaviour covers discussion about a mural?

I suspect we're going to end up talking about how to interpret nose size or if Jewish bankers really do rule the World. So here is the standard, fill your boots:

English (English) | European Forum on Antisemitism

 

[butchersapron]

you really think rules based politics is a good idea, whether or not it's doable?

Rule based organisations surely are.

 

[butchersapron]

I suspect we're going to end up talking about how to interpret nose size or if Jewish bankers really do rule the World. So here is the standard, fill your boots:

English (English) | European Forum on Antisemitism

That is an appalling definition and has been subject to very critical discussion (academic and political) but was just steamrollered through regardless - by both the EU and this govt i beleive. It's shit.

 

[Mr Moose]

yeh. someone i used to know from the new communist party, he had corbo on speed dial.

Corbyn’s own contacts could make for a very entertaining Michael McIntyre ‘send to all’.

 

[Pickman's model]

Corbyn’s own contacts could make for a very entertaining Michael McIntyre ‘send to all’.

amusing that is for those of us whose details aren't stored in his capacious phone