Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
maybe - but maybe its the conceptual slap round the face they need them to wise up. Before the nice cop antisemitism-awareness comrade offers them a cup of tea and an opportunity to change their ways.
Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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maybe - but maybe its the conceptual slap round the face they need them to wise up. Before the nice cop antisemitism-awareness comrade offers them a cup of tea and an opportunity to change their ways.
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
I agree. Don’t comment on things you can’t see. And I’m sure Corbyn has learnt that lesson
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
An old picture of Corbyn taking part in a street action against the fash might be an interesting diversion. However, the fact is if this was this Boris Johnson or anyone else we’d have no doubt he saw it or that it doesn’t matter because he shouldn’t have blundered into it.
But it’s a moot point. The problem for Labour is that it is very hard to see the end of this for Corbyn. Putting aside all the extraneous factors and the bits that are fair or unfair, he looks inept and flawed. He endorsed an anti-Semitic mural and everyone knows so.
How does he get out of this hole?
I don't have compromised eyesight, or a history of not noticing antisemitism going on under my nose.
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
And have you done as much in your life to fight racism? Thus is the MP who was photographed being arrested on anti apartheid demos, who has consistently spoken up against racism and social injustice. He made a mistake , has apologised and will lead the party in renewed efforts to challenge racism withi the party,
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
And who does that suit? If Corbyn goes because of this it would be the desired outcome for the blairittes, the Tories, the most regressive elements of our society. He is not a racist and I’m not referring to a few isolated actions against racism, im referring to a lifetime spent fighting fascism and racism
Well, Johnson has a long and colourful history when it comes to dubious views/comments. He's known for it. JC, less so.
I pity him and all those of us who believed he was the answer. He now has to satisfy and make ammends not only to those who had faith in him but also his longterm critics who must be delighted with how this has unfolded.
It appears he's toast and so is the credible alternative to the tory/blairish nightmare that's blighted the UK for decades.
I really thought it was going to happen, a real Labour party in government.
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
And are you happy about that turn of events? We had to fight and fight to get to a position where the left are in the leadership of the party. I for one won’t give up. It’s taken a life time to get to this position and I am not going to let the right wing detractors destroy our chance of power over this one issue, if I genuinely thought the part was majority racist, and Corbyn was an antisemite I would tear up my membership card, but I know that is not the case.Well, Johnson has a long and colourful history when it comes to dubious views/comments. He's known for it. JC, less so.
I pity him and all those of us who believed he was the answer. He now has to satisfy and make ammends not only to those who had faith in him but also his longterm critics who must be delighted with how this has unfolded.
It appears he's toast and so is the credible alternative to the tory/blairish nightmare that's blighted the UK for decades.
I really thought it was going to happen, a real Labour party in government.
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
I agree, and have you noticed that the MPs attacking Corbyn now are the same old faces that called for the 2nd leadership election, cry about trots trying to deselect then and use every opportunity to attack him?
He’s not finished. This will make thebiart stringer
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
Absolutely. They are the right wing dregs that would rather see a Tory Government than a Corbyn led labour one
Something like: A proper apology, recognising his own culpability & blind spots. Serious engagement with the Jewish community. Booting out all the actual antisemites, and launching a drive within the party to educate members about coded antisemitic tropes and the like.
I'm not sure where you get the idea that I'm happy about this turn of events.
I was one of millions who was lucky enough to see him speak at Hyde Park 15 years ago. It was a breath of fresh air at the height of the Blairist tragedy. I was delighted when he took the Labour Party back to its roots. I still don't believe he's an anti-Semite, as I said earlier.
But I do think the damage to the party now is irreversible. I feel it will revert to the Tory lite model.
I truly hope I'm wrong.
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
I’m sure there will be a positive response to this situation, in the mean time it would be nice to beat the Tories in the next election to start dismantling the austerity agenda. Smashing Corbyn to bits for a massive error of judgement for wgichbhe is rightly mortified and apologetic will not further this cause
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
Cool. It won’t be the end if we engage and turn the situation round
I hope you do. I can't vote in the UK anymore but if I was still there, I would. It would be an absolute shame, a disaster, if all the good work done in the last couple of years is undone.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Was he bollocks. When AFA moved into militancy and started to act on its real potential based on an accurate reading of the situation he buggered off sharpish. There are people posting on this very thread who more represent that militant tradition and they are very clearly giving Corbyn and his original excuses very short shrift.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Yes, but that should have already happened with the last report. What does he say next time some yet to be ventilated idiocy surfaces?
I hear what people are saying about his enemies but they got to shoot him in the face for free yesterday. This may be fatally weakening if it erupts again close to the next election.
If he's accepted that in the past he's done it wrong and accounts for it properly, that pretty much neutralises any further digging Guido does, doesn't it?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Something Corbyn presumably was unable to do at any point before this week? I'm asking you as you seem very definite that he only saw it on a tony mobile phone.
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
I too was heavily involved in militant anti fascist activity at that time, a regular at Chappell market and shoulder to shoulder with those that went on to form redaction. And I’m know there were few other national politicians of note that would associate in any way with militant anti fascism, - others might have given some support to the ANL or other liberal groupings, but he WAS honorary president for a period which says a lot about him. There were many Labour Party members and CP , who supported a robust response to organised racism, and far more that didn’t. For a Labour politician his heart has always been on the right side
rekil
to menny cranks
I don't have fb. How does one go about finding a conspiraloon artist's page to post comments on to begin with.
e2a: (innocent face)
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
"I remember Red Action used to go around attacking, erm, fascist supporters. When if in fact you saw one side attacking the other you couldn't tell the difference. I'm not in favour of one group going around attacking another, as it reduces yourself to their level.
Red Action, I mean, I could see their value in terms of stewarding meetings and defensive action. But I think there were some people in Red Action who got quiet a bit over excited and enjoyed a bit of action. They didn't seem that concerned or strong about any of the issues.
I remember once chairing a meeting on Kurdistan or Iran and the fascists came to try and break up the meeting. At various points Red Action came in the meeting, well, I couldn't tell the difference.
'We're Red Action' <said in a tough, working class sounding/goblin voice>.
'Yep, okay. They went that way <points>'. Just please don't come in hear, stay out. They were all like this <hits fist into palm>.'
It was quiet funny really. 'They went that way'."
cantsin
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that's crazy - the socio economic factors that put Corbyn where he is ( and Sanders in the US ) remain as they are, with no hope of resolution in the forseeable ( with impending enviromental / AI challenges ahead,they're likely to get more pronounced ) - no one knows where all this ends up ( could end up with the focus shifting to the left of Corbyn and Labour ) , but the chances of 500 K new members converting to Neo-Blairism within a generation are virtually non existent, whatever online storm appears on the horizon next.
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Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
I was only referring to redaction and their fellow travellers to illustrate that as a labour member at the time when I would be trying to look for support for anti fascist activities amongst fellow members, it was hard to find, but Corbyn was one of a handful that didn’t baulk at the idea of people putting up physical resistance to the Nazi scum that at that time were controlling the streets in a lot of working class areas.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
No. It would require a fair public discourse and there isn’t one.
Moreover it appears this was sat on for some time. It’s therefore not clear he is able to neutralise.
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