Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Pickman's model]

National Labour? Progressive Labour?

Architects of the Blairite resurrection

 

[1%er]

Tony Benn’s take on the Labour Party. The party, philosophised Benn, is like a bird, dependent on both its two wings to fly. The similarities don’t stop there. Both tend to migrate to second homes in sunnier climes over summer, living in comfortable nests far above the general population. And of course both have a tendency to crap on the British public from a great height.

 

[quimcunx]

Are we at an impasse? A staring match to see who blinks first? How long can they go without calling a ballot? I suppose indefinitely. I presume they are still trying to get legal opinion to agree that he needs nominations. How can that battle be won? Through the courts? They know they lose if they call a ballot with his name on it. So what, just continue to harangue him in the commons, send him to Coventry, keep publicly and privately calling on him to resign? Pin their hopes on #savelabour? Keep up media pressure, picking off his few supporters one by one? Hope he collapses of nervous exhaustion?

Will Corbyn sit and wait, how long for? He can't possibly continue sitting it out indefinitely with such pressure. No one could. So if they don't make a move does he start the deselection process? When? Tomorrow? Next week?

I'm still seeing stuff like this...



Given that they really don't give a fuck what the members think - and that they're now desperate - is there any reason to think that they'll give up on pursuing this as far as they can (knowing that he'd be very lucky to get 50 noms)?
Or is it just bollocks?

I can't see they have many other options. They'll have to pursue it as far as they can. They can't win a ballot with his name on it. Unless they think #savelabour will come to the rescue if they just give it a few days (the mirror poll was 84% the other day so has swung a little in their favour, if that counts...) One fb friend has shared it.

 

[Vintage Paw]

Someone was asking (I think it was on this thread) how many had joined Labour since all of this started. According to Momentum, 13,000 have joined this week. And 60% of those explicitly stated they joined to support JC. (That doesn't mean the other 40% don't support him, just that they didn't explicitly state that's why they were joining.)

 

[kebabking]

Why? He's being subjected to a coup that is very very clearly against the wishes of the majority of members. That majority voted for him in part at least because he was not part of, and was indeed opposed to, the old new labour who among other things invaded Iraq. If he can at least ensure not going back to those fuckers, he's achieved something perhaps.

and if that comes at the price of the next Tory leader calling a snap election and increasing their majority while the LP engages in its destructive, 1980's style navel gazing, will that 'victory' be a price worth paying?

 

[DaveCinzano]

Well, yeah - there's always that, too.

...It's at this point that it is revealed that Subcomandante Milne has been holding Corbyn hostage all along, having had unscrupulous guerilla-doctors stitch C4 into El Beardo's stomach as a means of controlling him through the threat of remote detonation.

As Islington's finest is drowned under the first dozen Blairite bodies swallow diving on top of him in blind pursuit of capital's glory, we hear a plaintive cry: "No! No, Seamus! No!!!" Then as a sweaty-faced Tom Watson slowly clambers over the B12-deficient torso of Kerry McCarthy, the air fizzes, tongues tasting an electronic tang, then nothing, then... A dull thud, an energy burst reverberates round the room, pressure waves turn stomachs inside out, and in seconds the Parliamentary Labour Party turns charnel and empty.

 

[maomao]

and if that comes at the price of the next Tory leader calling a snap election and increasing their majority while the LP engages in its destructive, 1980's style navel gazing, will that 'victory' be a price worth paying?

The alternative being backing Angela Eagle and soaring to victory???

 

[gosub]

7 days til Chilcot.

 

[kebabking]

The alternative being backing Angela Eagle and soaring to victory???

she has the public impact of white dogshit.

she is not, however, the only Labour MP who isn't Jeremy Corbyn.

 

[Plumdaff]

The alternative being backing Angela Eagle and soaring to victory???

History will judge Corbyn harshly for denying Britain the chance to hear another tearful resignation speech from her.

 

[sheothebudworths]

HOW MANY DAYS UNTIL CHILCOT?

 

[Vintage Paw]

I've just read that some person or another (it's all fucking "one source said" and "a source told me" - take it with a fistful of salt) has said they're finding it very difficult to find a single candidate to stand against him who didn't vote for the Iraq war, and that is something they want to do considering Chilcot.

 

[teqniq]

What, exactly, are they mobilising?

A kiddies tricycle with a squeaky wheel.

 

[The Boy]

HOW MANY DAYS UNTIL CHILCOT?

35 dog days?

 

[maomao]

she is not, however, the only Labour MP who isn't Jeremy Corbyn.

So which of the geniuses from the 2010 and 2015 campaigns will be leading them to victory in this snap election? Their best chance, especially because of the referendum result, was uniting behind Corbyn. If there is a snap election (which there won't be) they're fucked anyway.

 

[Vintage Paw]

If the party splits, it'll be interesting to see who goes. There are the central plotters in all of this, and then there are a heck of a lot more who weren't a part of any pre-existing plot and who ended up resigning because of a domino effect really (supporting their colleagues; feeling stressed and getting swept up by the frustration, etc). It seems it is true that they aren't sophisticated enough to coordinate a coup of this size, nor do they have the broad support that it might seem, and not everyone was contacted in order to resign. Some just did it for various reasons once the ball got rolling. I don't think the plotters expected this many to resign, and must have been very happy when it all kicked off. But what they didn't expect was JC to dig his heels in and refuse to go anywhere.

 

[happie chappie]

Spoke to Electoral Commission. I’m still a bit unsure as to who “owns” the Labour Party name (confusion on my part, not the Electoral Commission's).

In terms of candidates, if I've understood it correctly, anyone who wants to stand as a Labour Party candidate has to be approved by the Party Treasurer, the Nominating Officer (or someone he/she delegates the task to) and, perhaps crucially, the leader.

This means that, in extremis, the 172 may not necessarily need to be formally deselected by their CLP as the leader has a direct say as to whether they can stand as a Labour Party candidate.

However, I’m a bit unclear if all 3 Party functionaries have to agree to put forward a particular candidate, whether a 2-1 majority is OK or if any one of the three has a veto.

All this means that it may difficult to parachute David Miliband into Batley & Spen without Corbyn’s consent (and he’s unlikely to give it).

It also prevents local CLPs deselecting sitting MPs as an act of revenge (and putting forward their own pro-Corbyn candidates) if he is deposed. Sitting MPs could simply be imposed, just as the party machinery has done in the past.

Still a bit confused and not sure what the full implications of this are.

 

[gosub]

If the party splits, it'll be interesting to see who goes. There are the central plotters in all of this, and then there are a heck of a lot more who weren't a part of any pre-existing plot and who ended up resigning because of a domino effect really (supporting their colleagues; feeling stressed and getting swept up by the frustration, etc). It seems it is true that they aren't sophisticated enough to coordinate a coup of this size, nor do they have the broad support that it might seem, and not everyone was contacted in order to resign. Some just did it for various reasons once the ball got rolling. I don't think the plotters expected this many to resign, and must have been very happy when it all kicked off. But what they didn't expect was JC to dig his heels in and refuse to go anywhere.

Well it can't possibly be Tom Watson because he was at Glastonbury

 

[Vintage Paw]

Various rumours and potential bullshit I have heard today:

1) the central plotters were Angela Eagle and Tom Watson, who are now fighting amongst themselves for who should stand
2) they can't decide who to stand because everyone supported the Iraq War and that would be a bad thing with Chilcot coming up
3) someone is pushing for JC to stand down on the proviso McDonnell is automatically on the ballot

 

[happie chappie]

BBC reporting Tom Watson will not stand it what he says is now an inevitable leadership contest.

 

[rhod]

Whoever Labour put up, the media won't anoint that person for victory unless they're safely in New Labour territory.

 

[Chrispeptide]

Apparently the rumours doing the rounds at the moment are that David Miliband is going to stand! He is going to be parachuted in to Joe Cox's safe seat, as none of the other parties are going to contest it.

 

[butchersapron]

Apparently the rumours doing the rounds at the moment are that David Miliband is going to stand! He is going to be parachuted in to Joe Cox's safe seat, as none of the other parties are going to contest it.

By who? The NEC?

 

[Sirena]

Online polls aren't worth the paper they are printed on.

I know but they are indicative that even the DM is out of touch with its readership.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

So 3 quidders are definitely eligible to vote?

 

[DaveCinzano]

It's like Brexit 2.

Worst WWE storyline in a generation

 

[ska invita]

Could this thread be placed into Uk P&P please, not referendum forum.

think youd need to tag editor for that to happen

 

[Vintage Paw]

Well it can't possibly be Tom Watson because he was at Glastonbury

Reasonably certain that at least one faction within the plotters was Chuka, Tristram, and Stella. I don't think they necessarily pushed the button and orchestrated the resignations, but they'll have their own faction within all of this. As backbenchers now, they can do a lot away from the limelight.

The whip dude has been said to be central to the resignations. I suspect he may have been working with Watson. Watson is a very, very dark horse. He never plays his hand, he always keeps quiet about what he actually thinks. He's a duplicitous bastard, and would probably be even worse for the party than the neo-Blairites, because at least you can tell what they stand for.

I didn't think he'd go for the leadership right now though. I thought he'd want someone else to do it, so he could sweep in unsullied by it all at a later date. Maybe I was wrong though.

 

[discokermit]

...It's at this point that it is revealed that Subcomandante Milne has been holding Corbyn hostage all along, having had unscrupulous guerilla-doctors stitch C4 into El Beardo's stomach as a means of controlling him through the threat of remote detonation.

As Islington's finest is drowned under the first dozen Blairite bodies swallow diving on top of him in blind pursuit of capital's glory, we hear a plaintive cry: "No! No, Seamus! No!!!" Then as a sweaty-faced Tom Watson slowly clambers over the B12-deficient torso of Kerry McCarthy, the air fizzes, tongues tasting an electronic tang, then nothing, then... A dull thud, an energy burst reverberates round the room, pressure waves turn stomachs inside out, and in seconds the Parliamentary Labour Party turns charnel and empty.

i cried. that's beautiful.

 

[Vintage Paw]

BBC reporting Tom Watson will not stand it what he says is now an inevitable leadership contest.

Aha, seems I was right then.

He's biding his time.

He's very clever.